Moose shot at 1100 yards
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Been watching this one for a bit now, very interesting and broad opinions.
It's very simple really IMO.
An ethical hunter knows at what range they can humanely harvest an animal.This could be 50 yards or 500, it is up to the hunter, if you know you can make the shot with certainty you take it. If there is doubt that you may not make it you don't take the shot, that is ethical hunting.
Pull and pray method of shooting at game animals is unethical, that also can be at 50 or 500 yards depending on the hunter.
If you know you can make the shot on the vitals you take it.
It's very simple really IMO.
An ethical hunter knows at what range they can humanely harvest an animal.This could be 50 yards or 500, it is up to the hunter, if you know you can make the shot with certainty you take it. If there is doubt that you may not make it you don't take the shot, that is ethical hunting.
Pull and pray method of shooting at game animals is unethical, that also can be at 50 or 500 yards depending on the hunter.
If you know you can make the shot on the vitals you take it.
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bearkilr
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It's spelled "have"..."of" has a different meaning. Sorry, it was time for a grammar-nazi moment.
An animal can move a long ways in the 2 seconds it takes for the bullet flight. That's a big difference between 1/4 of a second. That shot was pure luck that it didn't move. Skill is hitting a paper target at that distance, hitting a living breathingnanimal on it's feet at that distancenis pure luck. As said before it's unlikely where he intended to hit it so he did fail, he also failed to make a clean kill. Obviously he isn't as good as he thinks he is and could have just as easily been 4" lower and had it run off. Maybey he would have found it a few days later and finished it off. Would that have made it successful?
These guys that have no problem with this shot, I have a game for you to play. Get your buddy to balance on a fencepost, you take a shot at a target below your friend and hope he doesn't lose his balance between the time you pull he trigger and the time the bullet arrives. Lots can happen in 2 seconds.
These guys that have no problem with this shot, I have a game for you to play. Get your buddy to balance on a fencepost, you take a shot at a target below your friend and hope he doesn't lose his balance between the time you pull he trigger and the time the bullet arrives. Lots can happen in 2 seconds.
None of mine involve a good chance of an animal running off and suffering. I squeeze my trigger when I know 2 things, I know I can make the shot and my prey can't move it's vitals out of the impact area before my bullet gets there.
This guy was also clearly there alone with his child as he's also the one operating the camera. Was he planning on tracking the moose with a 2 year old?
This moose obviously flailed unill he arrived via boat to finish the job. If it's not a clean kill it's a failure.
This guy was also clearly there alone with his child as he's also the one operating the camera. Was he planning on tracking the moose with a 2 year old?
This moose obviously flailed unill he arrived via boat to finish the job. If it's not a clean kill it's a failure.
I'm pretty certain of one thing though, if he had gut shot the critter, there would be no high five movie posted on the internet.
And the young tot sure won't tell......
So if one could and too bad we can't, just say for sparks and fire that we could replay this little scenario out.....
If the jolly shooter we are discussing could make this same shot ten times, would
he make ten kills?
As I said for sparks and fire......................I hardly doubt it.
Curious to know how many have gotten away from him at this distance.
Could be a honey hole he found there.
Looky.
And the young tot sure won't tell......
So if one could and too bad we can't, just say for sparks and fire that we could replay this little scenario out.....
If the jolly shooter we are discussing could make this same shot ten times, would
he make ten kills?
As I said for sparks and fire......................I hardly doubt it.
Curious to know how many have gotten away from him at this distance.
Could be a honey hole he found there.
Looky.
"If the jolly shooter we are discussing could make this same shot ten times, would "
And if he could, would that make it ethical.
"None of mine involve a good chance of an animal running off and suffering."
Don't worry about that I'll pass judgement anyway.
" I squeeze my trigger when I know 2 things, I know I can make the shot and my prey can't move it's vitals out of the impact area before my bullet gets there. "
Wow! So you have never missed or wounded an animal???? How many have you killed? Really???
And if he could, would that make it ethical.
"None of mine involve a good chance of an animal running off and suffering."
Don't worry about that I'll pass judgement anyway.
" I squeeze my trigger when I know 2 things, I know I can make the shot and my prey can't move it's vitals out of the impact area before my bullet gets there. "
Wow! So you have never missed or wounded an animal???? How many have you killed? Really???
A fine display of long distance marksmanship, that should be reserved for paper targets or steel gongs. I don't consider these types of scenarios hunting, but more on the order of long-range killing. I would've been far more impressed had the shooter posted a video showing him first identifying the moose at 1100-1200 yards and then stalked to inside 100 yards and made a clean, ethical kill. Alternately, I'd have been just as impressed if he'd been shooting at a steel gong and rang it.
I've shot a fair bit at long range, but I've never, ever seriously considered taking a shot at a live animal at that same range, even knowing I could make it. I'm not going to condemn anyone who can reliably make that sort of shot 100% of the time (I think the minimum should be 100% of the time at these ranges). However, it isn't something I'm personally comfortable with, so won't do it.
For the yahoos who watch "Best of the West" or think they're some sort of quasi-sniper and don't put in the trigger time to acquire the skills necessary to be taking those sorts of shots, I've got nothing but contempt and most certainly do not consider them hunters, but rather butchers.
I've shot a fair bit at long range, but I've never, ever seriously considered taking a shot at a live animal at that same range, even knowing I could make it. I'm not going to condemn anyone who can reliably make that sort of shot 100% of the time (I think the minimum should be 100% of the time at these ranges). However, it isn't something I'm personally comfortable with, so won't do it.
For the yahoos who watch "Best of the West" or think they're some sort of quasi-sniper and don't put in the trigger time to acquire the skills necessary to be taking those sorts of shots, I've got nothing but contempt and most certainly do not consider them hunters, but rather butchers.
Ardent
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I'm at a loss to argue with the guys supporting this shot, notably redfrog. The animal was spine shot, likely suffered for twenty minutes while he got ready and boated over, and it's being defended as good hunting. We come from very, very different schools of thought.
Ardent, we agree on something. I'm at aloss as well,, except I'm not interested in arguing with you. I know I won't convince you that I do not think you have the right or the divine obligation to set my ethical standards.
You make a lot of assumptions about the event and the shooter to support your POV. I see the facts as presented. There may be more to the story and I may chnage my POV on being made aware of them, but at this point, the moose is still dead. The guy didn't run up and down the beach all excited. He watched the moose, he filmed the moose, he set up a shot that he was comfortable and confident with and killed the moose. He didn't miss.
I get it. You wouldn't take the shot. I also get that there are shooting legens on this thread who have never missed or wounded an animal. Un;ess their name is Hathcock that may not be accurate.
I also get that you think it is alright for someone to set ethics for others. Unless you are one of the others. Where's the list of activities for me to judge? Not coming anytime soon I would guess.
BTW Like I said I have shot coyotes to just short of 600 yards. Not a lot, probably less than 40, but I have also passed on shots at half that range. I take the shots when I feel comfortable that I can kill my target.
If you think hell is in your future for risking a 1000 yard shot, don't do it. As I said there are things other do that I wouldn't do.
I used to date a girl who would make the devil blush. Does that make me a bad person?
You make a lot of assumptions about the event and the shooter to support your POV. I see the facts as presented. There may be more to the story and I may chnage my POV on being made aware of them, but at this point, the moose is still dead. The guy didn't run up and down the beach all excited. He watched the moose, he filmed the moose, he set up a shot that he was comfortable and confident with and killed the moose. He didn't miss.
I get it. You wouldn't take the shot. I also get that there are shooting legens on this thread who have never missed or wounded an animal. Un;ess their name is Hathcock that may not be accurate.
I also get that you think it is alright for someone to set ethics for others. Unless you are one of the others. Where's the list of activities for me to judge? Not coming anytime soon I would guess.
BTW Like I said I have shot coyotes to just short of 600 yards. Not a lot, probably less than 40, but I have also passed on shots at half that range. I take the shots when I feel comfortable that I can kill my target.
If you think hell is in your future for risking a 1000 yard shot, don't do it. As I said there are things other do that I wouldn't do.
I used to date a girl who would make the devil blush. Does that make me a bad person?
bearkilr
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If I missed a coyote at 30 yards with a shotgun, I probably wouldn't try for one at 600 with a rifle. Just sayin'.
If I missed a coyote at 30 yards with a shotgun, I probably wouldn't try for one at 600 with a rifle. Just sayin'.
Obviously you missed this quote
"BTW Like I said I have shot coyotes to just short of 600 yards. Not a lot, probably less than 40, but I have also passed on shots at half that range. I take the shots when I feel comfortable that I can kill my target."
Have you ever missed a shot Carlos?
Not every province has pointless orange clothing laws. BC certainly does not.
Sorry red it looks like the majority wins. Guys that take shots like that are coneheads. You are the minority here, you can't defend that. 10-1 not in your favor. That shoudl tell you something. If 10 of your buddies tell you the chick your hittng on at the bar is a troll but you think she's hot, gues what... She's likely a troll. Don't do it.
Ardent, we agree on something. I'm at aloss as well,, except I'm not interested in arguing with you. I know I won't convince you that I do not think you have the right or the divine obligation to set my ethical standards.
You make a lot of assumptions about the event and the shooter to support your POV. I see the facts as presented. There may be more to the story and I may chnage my POV on being made aware of them, but at this point, the moose is still dead. The guy didn't run up and down the beach all excited. He watched the moose, he filmed the moose, he set up a shot that he was comfortable and confident with and killed the moose. He didn't miss.
I get it. You wouldn't take the shot. I also get that there are shooting legens on this thread who have never missed or wounded an animal. Un;ess their name is Hathcock that may not be accurate.
I also get that you think it is alright for someone to set ethics for others. Unless you are one of the others. Where's the list of activities for me to judge? Not coming anytime soon I would guess.
BTW Like I said I have shot coyotes to just short of 600 yards. Not a lot, probably less than 40, but I have also passed on shots at half that range. I take the shots when I feel comfortable that I can kill my target.
If you think hell is in your future for risking a 1000 yard shot, don't do it. As I said there are things other do that I wouldn't do.
I used to date a girl who would make the devil blush. Does that make me a bad person?
Just curious but you have a link up for outfitting, does that include guiding hunters?
If so how many times has a animal been lost, or taken a while to die, as i said just curious!
