Stevens 200
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lejarretnoir
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Hey can I use that quote for my sig?
Good to know that everything else is inferior to any Savage action. You have converted me.
lejarretnoir
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Impressive 4rd group you shot there SandRoad!
I agree, the OP should add bullet comparators to the trinkets list. ( Dave these attach to your caliper for measuring cartridge length accurately. You can't measure off bullet tips for precision. read up on bullet seating depth or "bullet jump or jam", you will get into all this soon enough) Get the sinclair international comparator and inserts off their website you need the .308 insert (stock # 09-0308) and the gage body (stock #09-1000)
Yes, you will also need powder scale. I think Mystic Precision can provide all this stuff too, as well as info and expertise.
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This I cannot agree with.. The savage/ stevens is the best bang for the buck, end of story. You save at least 600 by going with the stevens action rather than a custom. Not saying its better, but its so close the difference will get lost in all the other variables of accuracy (for a beginner, myself included)
First off the kid is setting up to build a nice rifle. If you guys all wana sleep with the Stevens giver. If you sit here and say a stock stevens action is better than a custom bat ect... All your doing is flooding the net with garbage.
lol something tells me he knows you did not shoot that group.
lol something tells me he knows you did not shoot that group.
Mystic Precision
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Not trying to start a fight as this is such an important part of what makes a rifle accurate that giving some insight into this will be helpful.
From the perspective of F class, Tactical, varminting, Hunting or any other sport that needs accuracy in the 2's and 3's, What do you feel a custom action gives you in mechanical accuracy that a Stevens or Savage doesn't?
Let not involve the following as they are up to the individual shooter -
1) Cosmetics - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
2)Cost - this is not a question about cost....Really
3)Trigger pull under 3oz - here the Rems and customs win as the Jewell, Shilen, Timney and others will go to 1 to 3 oz which NO savage trigger on the market today will.
4)Pressures over 65,000psi - that is simply a safety issue and running ANY action over these pressures is looking for a quick trip to the hospital or worse. I have blown primers running way too hot loads in my Savage/Stevens and yet the actions have functioned with little fuss or force. There is no fear of handling the pressure. It is just not a safe or smart thing to continue to do.
I have spent years and several bucket fulls of money to answer this question. I have built rifles from most every common style of rifles including front and rear locking bolt (several actions including Rem) and semis.
All sorts of components and parts have been tried to find ONE setup that was superior in a repeatable and tangible manner. Yes, I have built the same setup's a few times just to confirm results were not a fluke or luck.
The goal has been to figure out what matters and what doesn't. If it cost alot of get the right results, no problem ( I shoot Bergers which are the most expensive match bullet presently on the Cdn market). As I said, this is about holes in paper and how to get it within the needs of the disciplines listed above.
Love to hear your thoughts. Keep it factual and to the point. This is not an attempt at personal attacks.
I think we will all learn something from this.
Jerry
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I don't think there was any bashing going on in the thread, more like a few uneduacated people trying really hard not to get eduacated
Dave you may have to start a new post with the pictures of what it was to where it is as it goes along, maybe this build can get a second chance to stay on topic
This thread is a journey of an individual travelling down the path of building a precision instrument. Not unlike my journey with the same action.
In my opinion, precision shooting starts with precision technique supported by precision reloading for use in a precision instrument. The fun is in building all those components together within your abilities.
Don't forget to let the wind humble you from time to time.
Cheers. Elky......
In my opinion, precision shooting starts with precision technique supported by precision reloading for use in a precision instrument. The fun is in building all those components together within your abilities.
Don't forget to let the wind humble you from time to time.
Cheers. Elky......
MadcapMagician
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I don't know much about Savage/Stevens but I have a few questions.
1) What does it mean when you hear small shank versus large shank when it come to barrels? I get one is bigger, but which is better for building? and how can you tell the difference?
2) Is there any difference between a $400 Stevens and $1300 Savage if all a guy wants is the action for a build?
3) Do they all have 3 action screws?
1) What does it mean when you hear small shank versus large shank when it come to barrels? I get one is bigger, but which is better for building? and how can you tell the difference?
2) Is there any difference between a $400 Stevens and $1300 Savage if all a guy wants is the action for a build?
3) Do they all have 3 action screws?
Target actions are large shanks as are some of the magnum rifles.
The difference between 400 and 1300 is pretty much overall finish, trigger option and stock. so if your buying one just for a donor action stick to the cheapest you can find, the target actions have 3 action screws and triple pillars, most actions have 2.
Mystic Precision
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Small shank is 1.060" diameter. Same as a Rem
Large shank is 1.120". Why? who knows. There seems to be no structural reason????
There is no material difference in operation and function between all the Savage rifles (bolt release and shape of barrel nut are the big differences) which is why you hear Stevens mentioned so often. This is the same action except all the fluff has been removed. Most of us are going to gut the factory parts anyway so why pay for them.
Only the single shot target actions have 3 bolts. I have used them all and can say, they all work the same and offer the same potential accuracy.
That is why Stevens comes up all the time. Why spend more then you need to?
Jerry
Mystic Precision
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AMEN.
EVERY SINGLE RIFLE on the line at an F class match can shoot at least 1/2 min. Many 1/4 min mechanically regardless of make or brand or chambering or set up. A precious few even more accurate.
I have yet to see or hear of a shooter ANYWHERE that can dope as well as their rifle can shoot over the course of a weekend.
Tells you where we should be spending our effects
Jerry
lejarretnoir
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Thankyou!
You can all brag and gloat about fine shooting, tight grouping rifles either assembled by yourself or smith. That's all good, but in the end, the top wind readers take it all and sometimes a little luck factor thrown in.
