Legalize suppressors thread!!! Please move to general discussion
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F22_RaptoR
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"Your car has to have a functional muffler, your city has noise laws, but as soon as it comes to guns, they have to be as noisy and bothersome as possible? Not only would it be more pleasant for people living around shooting ranges, but for hunters being able to hear more clearly and for overall hearing health and safety.
Many people think that suppressors make guns "silent" which is completely untrue. Most sound suppressors bring the noise level to just below the tolerance for hearing safe. Think of nail guns at job construction sites: not exactly quiet. But what they DO, is allow people to shoot without big heavy earmuffs that take away your ability to hear noises at longer distances, for instance if you're hunting and without hearing protection you may hear a family talking while hiking through dense brush downrange, then you would know its not safe to shoot.
People take low noise levels for granted most of the time, when living next to highways people demand large sound barriers to block the sound of the cars, trucks are forbidden to use their engines to help brake them, but as our cities expand closer to popular shooting ranges, people will demand to not be bothered by shooting. Shooting sports in Canada is expanding every year and closing down safe shooting ranges with proper backstops is not a responsible option, giving people the ability to reduce their OWN noise pollution is not only inevitable, its the responsible thing to do!
Many European countries- some with even more restrictive firearms laws than Canada - such as England, Turkey, Switzerland, Germany, and Finland not only allow using sound suppressors, but ENCOURAGE it as a matter of courtesy, and as personal protective equipment, just like you would find at your job worksite!"
Some of the countries listed may need to be edited (just thinking off the top of my head) but overall you get the point. Thats as well thought out as I could write it
I would love for suppressors to be legalized. I'm not opposed to having them treated like restricted firearms if it means they are legalized.
As far as legalizing goes, our best bet would honestly be to emphasize the benefits they have to preventing hearing loss and general well being.
I mean let's be real, there was that case about prostitution being legalized because making it illegal was causing the lives of the prostitutes to be put in danger (which is a violation of their charter rights).
perhaps we can argue the suppressor aspect from this angle?
As far as legalizing goes, our best bet would honestly be to emphasize the benefits they have to preventing hearing loss and general well being.
I mean let's be real, there was that case about prostitution being legalized because making it illegal was causing the lives of the prostitutes to be put in danger (which is a violation of their charter rights).
perhaps we can argue the suppressor aspect from this angle?
If you treat suppressors like restricted firearms then its not worth legalizing them. Remember that this is for the hunter to.
WHY?....For me it is better to have something than nothing.
We should aim for that but most likely that will not happen....
The problem you guys on hear don't seem to get is that masses on non-gun owners don't care about the safety of firearm owners, thus they don't care about our hearing loss or prevention.
You have to dispel the myth's of "Silencer" to "Suppressor" and the "Hollywood fairy tale, the RCMP can't argue these facts. The scientific data provides the facts thus showing this inconvenient truth, a video of what a Suppressor is really capable of is the way too go. Show the benefits to legalization on some levels, and show some of the cons, which are very few.
A balanced truthful and informative approach is the path to victory.
Show how easy it is to making a suppressor illegally, that will change the anti's argument and that will show the fallacy of there logic.
SUPPRESSORS MYTH VS REALITY
Lots of points by suputin and others on this thread that already have written out a lot of great points. I have friends in the film industry that can help with this endeavor.
The irony being the vast majority of hunters are total fudds who would probably argue against suppressors cause they buy into the Hollywood myths.
All it takes is a 6 pack of Dr Pepper and a roll of duct tape. Items many many people have at hand or easily accessible.
I actually have a high speed video of a can of tennis balls being used as a very effective suppressor on a 9mm handgun. I have another high speed video of a potato suppressor. Both vids come complete with sound data showing just how good these improvised suppressors really are.
I'd have to ask for permission to post these vids publically but I am sure the owner would agree to them being used for an effort to legalize suppressors.
I agree. It is an optics issue which needs to be addressed. And a concerted media campaign to re-educate non-gun-owners about the realities is what is needed. IF this is the battle we currently wish to wage.
+1
Not to divide lines but the Hunters through us under the bus many times, really when they sell us out again I will relish when they get it handed to them for this. We are first going into the fire, they are second, this little fact they like to ignore.
The Hunters and Anglers community is really short sighted at times...
Start asking Hunters in general what they think of Suppressors? The ignorance will astonish you....
Ironman6067
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Yes please he more vids the better! give us some visual evidence dispelling the silencer myth, i'm thinking a great video/ written letter to a variety of politicians, hunting clubs, shooting clubs, the CSSA, and the NFA in order to gain as much support and begin to clear the air of all the wrong ideas regarding suppressors. so anyone willing to put together a video i'd be happy to begin work on a letter to go along with it... it's a start but feel free to chime in with any other or better suggestions.
Can you post any facts to support your statement?
We don't like it when a firearms owner does something wrong and the bad rap gets stretched to cover us all and yet you're doing the same towards hunters.
Shame on you!
You are being ridiculous and taking this out of context, I suggest you look back 20 years ago or so and look what happened with Hunters community and how they dumped all the blame on Black rifle crowd. This happened, they divided us and we were defeated, the only reason a small faction of educated hunters are coming around is because they are starting to get that we are all in this fight.
We are all targets, just the hand gun crowd is first, then the black-rifles then everything else.
WA state just passed a law finally allowing silencer use in the state (law comes into effect around the end of July). This was done under a Democrat Governor and state legislature - so it can be done. It took a lot of time and patient lobbying by some very good advocates to get this through with little opposition.
One thing that was done was to actually show the politicians the benefit and reality. It might take some assistance from the military to do a demonstration.
As suggested before, advocate health and hearing loss benefits and the reduction in noise for neighbors. It's also important to point out that silencer crime is virtually non-existent where legalized.
One thing that was done was to actually show the politicians the benefit and reality. It might take some assistance from the military to do a demonstration.
As suggested before, advocate health and hearing loss benefits and the reduction in noise for neighbors. It's also important to point out that silencer crime is virtually non-existent where legalized.
Can I put forth a motion that this thread be moved into the Hunting and Sporting arms sub-forum.
It's not that I don't think Black guns deserve suppressors too, but in terms of the public image I'm hoping this movement gets, in terms of hearing protection whilst hunting and competitive small bore, etc.....
It just seems like it would get a better kick at the can ( pun intended) in another sub-forum without being associated with modern weaponry.
Just my take, no offense intended.
It's not that I don't think Black guns deserve suppressors too, but in terms of the public image I'm hoping this movement gets, in terms of hearing protection whilst hunting and competitive small bore, etc.....
It just seems like it would get a better kick at the can ( pun intended) in another sub-forum without being associated with modern weaponry.
Just my take, no offense intended.
Ironman6067
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no offense taken good suggestion, if i may i'd take it one step further and say move it to the general firearms disscussion in order to gain support from everyone, not just hunters or black firearms owner, or handgun enthusists. And please lets not get into who did what against who, keep the comments focused to gettin cans legalized.
Hunter1970
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I agree, it should get maximum exposure, no better place than under the "general firearms" forum. It would be phenomenal to get things moving (and supported by all gun owners)on this matter.
Ironman6067
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