Moose shot at 1100 yards

True enough on both counts.

So thats why real practice, from real field positions, under real field conditions, is the best practice. Wind, rain, etc, all have an effect on bullet flight. Can't learn it, if you don't practice in it.
 
Correct, however I have a quick and sincere question for you.

How do you determine if the animal is going to stand still, or take a step during that longer-than-one-second flight across 1100 yd?

I have talked to a few LR hunters, and without exception every one of them has had this happen to them; the game moved and the shot ended up a miss or worse.

Have you ever had this happen to you?

Ted
 
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Why not? said:
Correct, however I have a quick and sincere question for you.

How do you determine if the animal is going to stand still, or take a step during that longer-than-one-second flight across 1100 yd?

I have talked to a few LR hunters, and without exception every one of them has had this happen to them; the game moved and the shot ended up a miss or worse.

Have you ever had this happen to you?

Ted
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It happens to archery hunters a lot, too. And yet that is considered by many to be the fairest way to hunt.
I'd say its up to the individual to decide which chances to take.
 
"and just because you can do it at the range doesn't mean it should be done on live criteers. "

So are you saying it's better to just go shoot at "criteers" without practicing long range at the range? OR because you can do it at the range, that is the only place you can do it? Or if you are proficient at the range then you are qualified to take the shot away from the range?

1100yds, or 11 yards, how do you know whether the animal will move and how far and how fast?
 
Everyone should practice,obviously! what I said was just because you can hit plates at the range under those conditions doesn't mean it should or can be duplicated in the field.I guess if there is cover between a hunter and his quarry I don't understand why he or she wouldn't stalk as close as possible. To each his own
 
Redfrog said:
1100yds, or 11 yards, how do you know whether the animal will move and how far and how fast?
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You're serious, right? :rolleyes:

It takes the highest velocity bullets over a second to travel a kilometer. One step by the animal during that second, and you miss the vital area.

An animal running at top speed will still be dead at 11 yds.

Ted
 
KodiakHntr said:
Arrogant? Not at all....The one thing that is a constant in anything you do, is that the more you practice and challenge yourself, the better you get.....Although I'm not going to be surprised if some don't get that.....

Out of curiousity, you find that statement arrogant, how many centerfire rounds do you fire in a month? Rimfire? And is it always exactly the same scenario? A guy could shoot a million rounds a month, but if all he's doing is punching holes in the 100 yard board from sandbags, he's not going to learn as much as if he challenged himself each time he was out.
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What you do for recreation, I do for a living. I consider targets and animals totally different. I've hunted geese with a sporting clays champ who couldn't hit a bird. I've also witnessed a national biathlon champ put 5 rounds into under an inch at 100 yards offhand and next day wound a bear at 40 yards from a rest off a treestand.


The truth of the matter is, those who boast about of their shooting ability are the ones that generally mess up a shot at game.
 
Bingo! During the years I guided up here, guess who the best shots were, by far? Eastern woodchuck hunters!

They could range game, they knew the trajectory of their rifle, and they could shoot from sitting or prone better than most guys could off a bench. In other words, as well as being able to shoot they had a lot of field experience.

Ted
 
Gatehouse said:
Clearly you shouldn't be shooting at animals past 150 yards if you think 25 yards means nothing at that range! :)

At 1100 yards the bullet POI is about 12-20" higher than at 1125. So if he adjusted his scope for 1125 and the bull was 1100, then the bullet would impact in the spine/hump area instead of the lungs.

Which apparently it did, according to the shooter.

I've heard many old time moose hunters talk about "dropping moose in their tracks" by shooting them in the hump area. Just like what happened to that moose.

The shooter indicates there was no wind and looking at the river it doesn't look as if there is any wind disturbing the water.

So, from reading the shooters comments, looking at a ballistic table, looking at the undisturbed water on the river and watching the reaction of the moose, I'd say:

He hit the moose higher than he hoped for, but still in line with the moose vitals.

The moose was dropped by a similar shot many moose hunters use t closer range, but we don't complain about that.

That was no lucky shot.
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am surprised by the bullet drop of 12-20" between 1100 yards and 1125 yards. I have a 7mm Rem which will do that or close to it. Anyway it just makes it worse in my opinion. That leaves a margin of 8" of maybe and a prayer. OK for targets.
 
The one thing I think is missing from this type of hunting is the thrill of being up close and personal with the animal.

I like to get as close as possible, not so much for the kill but just to see how close one can get.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
The one thing I think is missing from this type of hunting is the thrill of being up close and personal with the animal.

I like to get as close as possible, not so much for the kill but just to see how close one can get.
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yup, I like that too. But that's why they make chocolate AND vanilla ice cream. What makes you happy may not make the next guy happy.:)
 
The guy can shoot, that is not the issue that makes it unethical.

The fact the animal has time to move from when the shot is touched off till the time the bullet gets there is! Even if the animal looks relaxed it could decide to move and if wounded the chance of finding it again could be pretty slim and result in a cruel death, hence the shot should not have been taken, my opinion fwiw
 
crazydave said:
The guy can shoot, that is not the issue that makes it unethical.

The fact the animal has time to move from when the shot is touched off till the time the bullet gets there is! Even if the animal looks relaxed it could decide to move and if wounded the chance of finding it again could be pretty slim and result in a cruel death, hence the shot should not have been taken, my opinion fwiw
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Using this concept, could we also say that virtually all bow hunting past about 20 yards is unethical? :confused:
 
Gatehouse said:
Using this concept, could we also say that virtually all bow hunting past about 20 yards is unethical? :confused:
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A bow at 65 yards hits in less time than that bullet took to get there, if you have no idea if the animal will be there why take the risk, i know personally i wouldn't but then again i guess there is all types of hunters out there:confused:
 
crazydave said:
A bow at 65 yards hits in less time than that bullet took to get there,:
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Lots of animals can move / jump from the time the arrow get's loosed to the time it impacts.

Is there an exact time that is allowable and not allowable ?

An animal at 20-40 yards can certainly move enough in the time the arrow flies to end with poor shot placement.

Does this mean a 20-40 yard bow shot is unethical?
 
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