Moose shot at 1100 yards

[bearkilr]

Here is an interesting question:

If he had stalked to within 100 yards and shot the moose in the exact same place with the exact same results, would we consider this shot unethical?

My view is that the result of the 1200 yard kill was clean, however it had a much higher potential to go astray than a 100 yard shot, that can't be disputed, especially if we're talking about the same hunter.

Therefore, IMO, the ethical thing to do would have been to get closer. There is no such thing as an ethical kill, only how we go about attaining the kill. I believe we owe it to the animal we hunt to dispatch it as quickly as possible with the least chance of causing it unnecessary suffering.

My belief is that the longer the distance, the higher the potential exists for a screwed up shot, all other things being equal.

 

[Ardent]

What has that got to do with whether the animal moves or not? or what the distance to the target was. The fact is you cannot guarantee that an animal will not move, regardless of the distance from the shooter.

Are you kidding? You gotta be. I'm confused that you need it explained that an animal can move a long, long way in a second and a half, and a heck of a lot less in 0.1- which is the time to 100 yards for most cals. Lets not even try to figure the time to 30 yards, it's as close to instant as a human can conceive- 1.5+ secs? Not so much.

Everyone here has their minds made up, little point in this going further.

 

[Gatehouse]

. There is no such thing as an ethical kill, only how we go about attaining the kill. I believe we owe it to the animal we hunt to dispatch it as quickly as possible with the least chance of causing it unnecessary suffering.
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What is quicker than killing an animal with one shot, as was done in the video?

 

[Gatehouse]

Another question to ponder:

It's legal in BC to shoot form a boat that is not currently under power. (Engine shut off)

What if he go in his jet boat, went to within 50 yards, turned off his engine and took the shot from his boat? Ethical? Not ethical?

 

[catnthehatt]

Another question to ponder:

It's legal in BC to shoot form a boat that is not currently under power. (Engine shut off)

What if he go in his jet boat, went to within 50 yards, turned off his engine and took the shot from his boat? Ethical? Not ethical?

A 100 yard shot from a drifting boat can be pretty difficult, let alone that range!
I always get out of the boat, it's a lot easier.....
Cat

 

[bearkilr]

What is quicker than killing an animal with one shot, as was done in the video?

As stated in my previous post, I'm not debating the ethics of death only how we go about achieving it.

My view is that the result of the 1200 yard kill was clean, however it had a much higher potential to go astray than a 100 yard shot, that can't be disputed, especially if we're talking about the same hunter.

Therefore, IMO, the ethical thing to do would have been to get closer. There is no such thing as an ethical kill, only how we go about attaining the kill. I believe we owe it to the animal we hunt to dispatch it as quickly as possible with the least chance of causing it unnecessary suffering.My belief is that the longer the distance, the higher the potential exists for a screwed up shot, all other things being equal.

 

[bearkilr]

Another question to ponder:

It's legal in BC to shoot form a boat that is not currently under power. (Engine shut off)

What if he go in his jet boat, went to within 50 yards, turned off his engine and took the shot from his boat? Ethical? Not ethical?

Send some of those deaf moose this way,we could use some.

 

[Gatehouse]

As stated in my previous post, I'm not debating the ethics of death only how we go about achieving it.

We saw very clearly that he achieved a quick kill. Why is a quick kill at x yards more ethical than a quick kill a Y yards?

There is hypothetical (something may have gone wrong) and reality (a quick kill was achieved)

 

[Gatehouse]

A 100 yard shot from a drifting boat can be pretty difficult, let alone that range!
I always get out of the boat, it's a lot easier.....
Cat

50 yards form a drifting boat on a gentle river can't be too hard for a skilled marksman.

 

[Gatehouse]

Send some of those deaf moose this way,we could use some.

You have never seen a moose stand on the side of a river or road for quite some time while a motorized vehicle approaches? It's pretty common.

 

[Redfrog]

Are you kidding? You gotta be. I'm confused that you need it explained that an animal can move a long, long way in a second and a half, and a heck of a lot less in 0.1- which is the time to 100 yards for most cals. Lets not even try to figure the time to 30 yards, it's as close to instant as a human can conceive- 1.5+ secs? Not so much.

Everyone here has their minds made up, little point in this going further.

Do you see a smiley face?? So first you decide what everyone's ethics should be then you decide when the discussion is over?
Are you kidding me?


So how long have you decided is an acceptable amount of time for the animal to get shot/
30 yards isn't that hard to figure since I said with a bow. 300+ fps divided by 100 equal .3 of a second.
An animal could move a long, way I that time by your estimation.

The reality is the shot only needs to miss by a few inches regardless of the distance to the target.

Is it more ethical to wound a moose at 100yds and have it die three days later of sepsis? C'mon it isn't really a tough question.

 

[bearkilr]

You have never seen a moose stand on the side of a river or road for quite some time while a motorized vehicle approaches? It's pretty common.

Yep, lots of times on a river or road as you say. Approaching from 3/4 mile across a wide open lake, like the video, would be a bit more challenging.

 

[Gatehouse]

Yep, lots of times on a river or road as you say. Approaching from 3/4 mile across a wide open lake, like the video, would be a bit more challenging.

It's not a lake, it's a river....

 

[bearkilr]

It's not a lake, it's a river....

Ok, so it's a river. What I meant by my statement is that it's not your typical meandering river. The shot was 1200 yards, of which 1100 would have to be travelled by boat in a direct line. No sneaking up around a corner nor any bends or tress to muffle the sound of the motor.

 

[Gatehouse]

Ok, so it's a river. What I meant by my statement is that it's not your typical meandering river. The shot was 1200 yards, of which 1100 would have to be travelled by boat in a direct line. No sneaking up around a corner nor any bends or tress to muffle the sound of the motor.

So he gets trashed for not getting closer and now he can't get closer. Tough crowd.

Anyway, the question was "would it be ethical to shoot the moose from 50 yards off his boat?"

 

[catnthehatt]

50 yards form a drifting boat on a gentle river can't be too hard for a skilled marksman.

Depends on how much wash there is from the boat.
The time it takes for the boat to settle down, and hoping that it is trimmed so it is not spinning slowly , are only two variables that come into play.
I have been on the rudder on quite a few kills form a canoe, and many from a boat that is drifting, and on needs to be on the paddle constantly so that the boat is as stable as possible.

Pretty difficult, not impossible, but if i can get myself or my guest out of the boat, I do, for sure, even if it means several hundred yards difference.
I won't let a hunter in my boat shoot at any distance that is beyond their expertise, however.....
Cat

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

I'll do it my way, drift down the river on a log, brandishing a ball peen hammer(24oz fiberglass handle), once close enough, charge the beast with all the fury one can muster and clunk him on the head!!!

Point blank head shot. Now what could be more ethical?

Kinda wondering where this thread is heading.

 

[bearkilr]

So he gets trashed for not getting closer and now he can't get closer. Tough crowd.

Anyway, the question was "would it be ethical to shoot the moose from 50 yards off his boat?"

There are ways to get closer. Sneak along the shoreline. Personally I wouldn't try to approach by boat for fear of spooking him.
I would also not consider it very sportsmanlike, or "ethical" if you will, to drive up and shoot from the boat.
As I said in an earlier post, legal and ethical don't necessarily go hand in hand.

 

[Sardaukar]

 

[greywolf]

Due to our superior intellect, we can also form our own opinions, and some people's opinion is that this shot was unethical and we're explaining why we believe this to be so.

Actually you explained not much , you have however trashed someone else ..... 35 pages worth, and anyone else that didn't agree with you. Live and let live ....... here let me explain it to you , you have your ethics, he has his , i have mine , etc...... each of us has the RIGHT to decide for ourself what is/isn't ethical, right ? so what is ethical for you isn't necessarily for me, qwith me here ? doesn't make you right or wrong , doesn't make him right or wrong , each of us has their own interpretation , , it's not rocket science here . I personally believe that to each their own, , some believe high fence hunting is wrong , so do i, UNLESS there are a few thousand acres for X animals and X hunters , if the animal can fairly elude and get rest and relax for a few days I think it's ok, others think no way any way . See what I mean ? you believe the shot shouldn't have been done , so do a few others , whereas a few agree , he did good , and it seems thru 35 pages , so did a few others. y'all made your points , nobody is going to change their opinions . Yall are beating a dead horse , to pulp ! Ethical , schmethical , the beast is dead , nobody ran thru the forest looking for wounded beasties , all ends well. It doesn't always end well , on a close shot either , and folks chase beasties thru the forest , was that less ethical ? or more ethical ? To each their own, live and let live ! get it now ?????