glock or smith wesson

wicked_police said:
So he'd pick HK over S&W.

What's your point.
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Read the quote, he states the best two choices for a .45 are the M&P45 and the HK45 but he'd choose the HK45 first. He chose the HK45 and the M&P45 over any other .45 including the 1911 platform.

Why? Because he helped designed the HK45 along with Ken Hackathorn.

So really he's stating the M&P45 is the second best .45 in his opinion right after his HK45.
 
misanthropist said:
There is not much point in taking any anti-glock sentiment seriously anymore...either it's a joke or the person knows too little about guns to bother with.
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I actually have no real problems with Glock and would have owned one if I wasn't told about the M&P and loved the grips more than the Glock. So all my Glock talk is mostly to work up the fanboys :D
 
drache said:
Read the quote... So really he's stating the M&P45 is the second best .45 in his opinion right after his HK45.
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I did read it. Second place is the first loser.

And this has what exactly to do with the OP's question about choosing between a 40cal Glock or Smith??



misanthropist said:
There is not much point in taking any anti-glock sentiment seriously anymore... drache knows too little about guns to bother with.
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That's how I would have typed it out... ;)
 
wicked_police said:
And this has what exactly to do with the OP's question about choosing between a 40cal Glock or Smith??
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You posted a quote about Larry stating he didn't like the M&P platform so I posted a quote showing that the only gun he likes more than an M&P in 45 is a gun he helped design. Seems like he thinks somewhat decently about the M&P at least otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned it in conjunction with the HK45.

It didn't have to do with the OP's question, it was in reply to something you posted.
 
While I don't believe Glock ever acknowledged they might have a problem with their original case support in their barrels here is somthing to look at. It would appear sombody in Glock thought the barrel needed changing as it now fully supports the case.

Both the Glock and S&W are sucessful designs and both warrant your consideration. Choose one or the other based upon your preference. If we all felt the same way there would be one happy lady in this world and a whole bunch of unhappy ones.

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Take Care

Bob
 
wicked_police said:
Larry Vickers, and others, have noticed a lot of people that moved from Glock to the M&P, are going back to Glock.

He also made the comment that 'S&W snatch defeat from the jaws of victory' with the M&P (paraphrased).
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The only advice that I would take from Larry Vickers is on who makes the best donuts.
 
drache said:
Read the quote, he states the best two choices for a .45 are the M&P45 and the HK45 but he'd choose the HK45 first. He chose the HK45 and the M&P45 over any other .45 including the 1911 platform.

Why? Because he helped designed the HK45 along with Ken Hackathorn.

So really he's stating the M&P45 is the second best .45 in his opinion right after his HK45.
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That is largely because of his testing of the G21 several years ago. Mr. Vickers has beaten on g21s and left unimpressed...by Glocks chambered in .45. As to Glocks in general, he carries a Glock 19 and believes the Gen 3 17s are the most reliable guns on the planet IIRC.

He definitely does not think the S&W is better than Glock across the board.

The M&P series are good guns, although a little buggy compared to the Gen 3 17s, or the Gen 4 22s. Their triggers seem to vary more from gun to gun, but I think they are still a good choice. Also they seem to have variable accuracy from gun to gun, but still good enough for 99% of shooters I would think.

I use glocks because A) there is no M&P10, and B) I have a lot of trigger time on Glocks so no point changing. I think if S&W gets their head out of their ass and gets back to improving the M&P instead of goofing it up like they have for the last 12 months they will have a great gun instead of a good one with a few bugs. But will it be BETTER than the 17/19/22/23? Probably not.
 
wicked_police said:
By all means, please let everyone know your qualifications and why they should take your advice and recommendations in the various forums on cgn.
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Well like anything on the internet you can take my advice or not as I can claim to be anybody or anything that I want. Which is why I really don't care about what you have to say either.:p:D
 
misanthropist said:
That is largely because of his testing of the G21 several years ago. Mr. Vickers has beaten on g21s and left unimpressed...by Glocks chambered in .45. As to Glocks in general, he carries a Glock 19 and believes the Gen 3 17s are the most reliable guns on the planet IIRC.

He definitely does not think the S&W is better than Glock across the board.

The M&P series are good guns, although a little buggy compared to the Gen 3 17s, or the Gen 4 22s. Their triggers seem to vary more from gun to gun, but I think they are still a good choice. Also they seem to have variable accuracy from gun to gun, but still good enough for 99% of shooters I would think.

I use glocks because A) there is no M&P10, and B) I have a lot of trigger time on Glocks so no point changing. I think if S&W gets their head out of their ass and gets back to improving the M&P instead of goofing it up like they have for the last 12 months they will have a great gun instead of a good one with a few bugs. But will it be BETTER than the 17/19/22/23? Probably not.
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I never said Larry thought they were better than a Glock, just stated that he doesn't actually hate them. :p

But comparing a Glock to an M&P isn't overly fair. The Glock has been around since what, '82? The M&P is only been around since '05. The Glock has gone through some large changes since it's start almost 30 years ago.

I do agree that the M&P could use some work done to it to further approve on it's design.

But it can't be all that bad, it's been approved by over 500 police forces in the US alone (only 4 in Canada so far). :D

Now that Glock is coming out with (or has come out with) swapping grips like the M&P did I think the Glock has finalyl done something to correct one of the biggest problems people had with them.

Glock was the first semi-automatic handgun I shot and got me into wanting a handgun that wasn't a revolver.
 
drache said:
I never said Larry thought they were better than a Glock, just stated that he doesn't actually hate them. :p

But comparing a Glock to an M&P isn't overly fair. The Glock has been around since what, '82? The M&P is only been around since '05. The Glock has gone through some large changes since it's start almost 30 years ago.

I do agree that the M&P could use some work done to it to further approve on it's design.

But it can't be all that bad, it's been approved by over 500 police forces in the US alone (only 4 in Canada so far). :D

Now that Glock is coming out with (or has come out with) swapping grips like the M&P did I think the Glock has finalyl done something to correct one of the biggest problems people had with them.

Glock was the first semi-automatic handgun I shot and got me into wanting a handgun that wasn't a revolver.
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I don't think anyone has said "Larry Vickers hates the M&P", just that he has observed that lots of the people who initially switched from the Glock to the S&W have now switched back.

Whether it's new or not means nothing to me...whether it works is the only standard I use to gauge its usefulness. Nobody who knows anything about guns thinks the Glock was flawless from the get-go (or is flawless now for that matter). The question is simply, "what is the best tool available?"

This is especially true for professional shooters who do not have the option of saying, "hang on...I realize I blew that last shot because of the M&P's mushy, non-tactile reset...but remember that this is a relatively new platform and it will probably improve over the next two decades. In the meantime, rather than returning fire, could you simply wait while I reload?"
 
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