Utg tri rail/stripper clip mount frustrations

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So I put a utg tri rail on my Norc m14. Looks cool, lots of places to strap crap I don't need, but really it looks good. Now I'm using the stripper clip replacement mount for my Redfield using leupold prw rings. After a trip to the range and a couple of boxes of ammo later I finally get it in line (couldn't bore sight it with the muzzle break on). Maxed out elevation and I'm still too low at 25 yards so not gonna work.

So I'm pissed off, get it to the shop, and rip off the muzzlebreak so I can boresight, and try and shim the back ring to bring the scope down. Put about 2 mm in. And it seems to boresight fine now. Is there something better I can do, I really dislike having to shim that much. I want to keep the rail though.
 
i had the same issue with my UTG system, the rear clip mount was not flush with the rest of the rails. i bought another rear mount off the EE and it still had the same problem. i too hate the idea of shimming a scope ring 2mm, so i'm running a reddot now instead of a scope.
 
Well that's good to know at least I didn'tjust a lemon, but that doesn't solve my problem. Is there a way to use a typical scope mount in addition to the tri rail?
 
Blegend said:
Well that's good to know at least I didn'tjust a lemon, but that doesn't solve my problem. Is there a way to use a typical scope mount in addition to the tri rail?
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There is a way, but you will lose your rear irons and about $140.00. But this mount doesnt use the side mount that the UTG rail needs. Check m14.ca for the mount.

And a ton of links for info on the M14, great start for those new to the rifle and would like info on it.
 
Warrdog said:
And a ton of links for info on the M14, great start for those new to the rifle and would like info on it.
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why would you go anywhere else but cgn ...... the most up to date info on the chinese m14 family is here on CGN ......

no one i know has tried that casm mount....... i'll wait till they send hungry one , I trust his evaluations. also i doubt the rail height of the casm will sit level with the rail height on the utg, which is what everyone is after. No one on cgn has posted happy results yet and these have been for sale for a while i think. I'm gonna get flamed by the usual m14 . ca fan club for even commenting, but what ever.

the UTG compatable rear mount thing has been a frustration for many of us. For me it's been extra frustrating as I've designed two items that solve the problem. One of the designs was the spanner rail i posted about some time ago. It worked, but would it work on every rifle of chinese origin...... turned out that it didn't quite sit level on all actions... and i tried dozens and dozens for comparisons. I felt that even though it would "probably" work just fine for 90% of those who bought it...... I want a 100% batting average on the products i put to market.

so back to the drawing board. So not to tease anyone, and i don't want to give you the impression that i currently have this item at manufacture as I'm not discussing that online BUT..... I do have the solution, and you get to keep your rear sight.

you will also be able to use this item as a stand alone mount for a small red dot optic, or couple it with the sage, akm, knights RAS, and utg

sound exciting? The next time i mention this will be if and when i have a pile of them sitting in front of me hehehehe. first i need to finish some rifle builds, finish some stock orders and then take a holiday as it's almost west coast salmon fishin time :D :D
 
Bah, let the haters hate doc. Haha seriously though thanks for the input. It's good to know something's coming, just don't make me wait too long now, my rifles almost done and I just wanna go shoot it asap. Although since my local range is so damned rediculous lately that may be a while yet.

P.S if you need a tester there doc let me know haha
 
Personal experience (not an advertisement for anyone)

I had the SAME problem as you, but I like the look of the utg, so i decided to buy a scope mount not made but utg but compatible with it.

I bougth the canadian made m14 mount. I will let you search for it. It expensive but it work and look great. (and its adjustable and solve a lot of frustration)
 
Blegend said:
Bah, let the haters hate doc. Haha seriously though thanks for the input. It's good to know something's coming, just don't make me wait too long now, my rifles almost done and I just wanna go shoot it asap. Although since my local range is so damned rediculous lately that may be a while yet.

P.S if you need a tester there doc let me know haha
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Am not a hater or a fan boy, was just suggesting an option. Wont happen again....
 
Run a LaRue or ADM cantilever mount in reverse from the tri-rail. If you don't like it that way, well, you still end up with a spare kickass LaRue or ADM mount ;)



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Warrdog said:
Am not a hater or a fan boy, was just suggesting an option. Wont happen again....
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no one should feel that they shouldn't suggest an option, and I'll apologize if you felt my comment was me being an asshat ;) . suggest the product not the website full of links to U.S. m14/m1a and pre clinton ban chinese rifle info. As I said, the most relevant and up to date info on the chinese M14 type platform is here on CGN.
 
i have used the CASM mount, i put 200 rounds through it in 3 range sessions(not exactly a torture test i know) it held zero fine, i was using a light scope which probally helped, i wouldn't mount a heavy/long scope to the CASM, 2 things i would change on the CASM,
1. make it steel, the aluminum used is high quility, but nothing beats the strength of steel
2. incoperate a stripper clip guide mount to it,
like i said, it worked fine for me, would be good on a dedicated scoped only rifle, i like to have the irons for back up so i sold it, i would like to hear what Hungry has to say about the CASM mount from ww w.m14.ca....
 
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I was in the same boat as im looking for a scope as well , however when i took a level to the rail and the clip guide nothing was off . it seems level even though when i look at it , id say it appears 1-2mm off..

rifle specific maybe ?
 
matty86suk said:
i have used the CASM mount, i put 200 rounds through it in 3 range sessions(not exactly a torture test i know) it held zero fine, i was using a light scope which probally helped, i wouldn't mount a heavy/long scope to the CASM, 2 things i would change on the CASM,
1. make it steel, the aluminum used is high quility, but nothing beats the strength of steel
2. incoperate a stripper clip guide mount to it,
like i said, it worked fine for me, would be good on a dedicated scoped only rifle, i like to have the irons for back up so i sold it, i would like to hear what Hungry has to say about the CASM mount from ww w.m14.ca....
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Couldn't agree with you more with these 2 point's on what you have just stated in your post.
Even though last time I stated these excate statments I was litterly H:S: on.
Also I did find a solution to the UTG issue and have it displaying on this picture right here;
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It's a weaver extender quick release rail & I truely enjoy this little add on kit.
When I go to the range or plink out in the woods at longer distances I slap this bad boy on. Other than that I have an EoTech 308 model that I use for when I just want to have fun. As for the return to zero feature I mark out on the rails were they go and always tug to the rear of the rifle. There for by repeatively doing the same thing I don't notice that much of POI changes.
I hope this info helps ya out untill M14Doctor spanner rail become a reailty.
 
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matty86suk said:
i have used the CASM mount
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hey matty.... do you know if the top surface of the casm meets flush with the top surface of the utg? so that a scope can be mounted and the rings be the same height?

I do get a lot of guys asking me about the mount and it's utg compatability but can't give them an answer, not because i don't want to, but because not many reviews on this site from guys who have bought one. have you had the chance to check that feature?
 
M14Doctor said:
hey matty.... do you know if the top surface of the casm meets flush with the top surface of the utg? so that a scope can be mounted and the rings be the same height?

I do get a lot of guys asking me about the mount and it's utg compatability but can't give them an answer, not because i don't want to, but because not many reviews on this site from guys who have bought one. have you had the chance to check that feature?
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the mount has some slope built into it so i don't think it will meet flush with the utg rail, and knowing the dimensional differences between norc/poly/SA receivers i highly doubt they will line up, but i haven't tried the 2 together so i can't say for sure.....
 
I have it and it DOESNT come flush with the utg. However, is it compatible. (it doesnt block the usage of the utg)

I have 2 complain about the casm, price (too expensive piece of metal) and color. I would be willing to pay to have it the same color/finish as my receiver. Can someone parkerize aluminium ?
 
M14doctor, the next product I would like to see for the m14 is a modified bolt/firing pin for the gun that doesnt indent primer (spring loaded ? like the sks has)

I would be willing to pay some good money for that safety mod.
 
arcaner said:
M14doctor, the next product I would like to see for the m14 is a modified bolt/firing pin for the gun that doesnt indent primer (spring loaded ? like the sks has)

I would be willing to pay some good money for that safety mod.
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that is a tall order my friend hehehe
the modifications required to do such a thing would simply mean redesigning the entire bolt/firing pin....... way out of my realm of expertise i'm afraid hehehe

the sks bolt and how it is designed almost lends itself to the mod you speak of but i just don't think it's possible with the m14 without making a whole new bolt and firing pin.
the firing pin channel would have to be two diameters, with a wider diameter at rear to accomodate the spring. then the firing pin would need to be made round for the rear inch to inch and a half to fit the spring....... that would work, but it does mean manufacturing a new bolt and firing pin
no telling what mods to the safety bridge would be needed if at all.
 
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