Pre-Owned Agency Firearm - Bushmaster XM15-E2S - Anyone own or familiar with?

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Hey folks,

Looking at picking up an AR15 and am wondering if anyone has purchased one of these pre-owned rifles or is familar with the platform. I have no experience with these beyond spending a couple of years cleaning a C7 with the ole CLP...

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Not 100% on the pricing, but I believe it's in the realm of $1400.

Being an "Agency" pre-own, I'm a little leery of picking up one as it's unknown the number of rounds that have been fired or how it's been treated. That said, PO seems about as standup as you get, and the ACOG is pretty tempting...

Of course, if anyone can suggest a similarly priced alternative, I'd love the input.

Thanks!
 
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Id say pass. For 1400$ you could pick up something much nicer, and with most likely less round count. Like new. Look at the EE, and sponsors for pricing on what is the going rate. Bushmaster is ok, i had one. But you could buy nicer, like RRA, stag, armalite new for that price.
 
It's likely that it's being sold, either because it's reliability sucked ass, or it's a high round count mule that's seen better days...
Either way, you are better off buying something off the EE or from one of the sponsors.
Just my $0.02.....
 
PO used to import bushmaster rifles for LE like 10 years ago (back in the late 90's and very early 2000 bushmaster and colt are the only games). They are probably taking in the guns they have sold.

My guess these rifles and sights are over 11 years old based on the serial number in the picture (L95083). They are highly likely pre-Y2K production, just before the big panic. Proably a 1999 or 98. The tritium of the ACOG is probably due for replacement at this point.

This particular configuration has a super heavy barrel with an aluminum FF handguard. it is straight from the late 90's and early 2000's bushmaster catalogue.

I do not know about the 20 - I think the 20 are ok. However, I have seen a few Bushmaster 10.5 and 14.5 that were made in the big rush before the y2k (inlcuding one owned by myself) that did not work at all. That period of Bushmaster was full of QC issues with their uppers. On the other hand, their lowers were great back then. I had a 98 police trade in lower and it is still going strong - hammer spring snapped just last year.

Think of buying a lower and an ACOG with dead tritium lamp- the barrel and hanguard are pretty much worthless these days. No one will buy super heavy 1/9 barrel. The upper from that time has no M4 cut. The BGC is decent but make sure they are staked correctly.
 
What makes the barrel and handguard worthless, out of curiosity? It's likely not a current model FF railed HG, but I'm sure it would be serviceable. I also HIGHLY doubt the guns are unserviceable. Whichever LEO agency had there would have used them and made sure they were at least functional IMHO.

Dead tritium isn't an issue for 99% of users.

Also, a non-M4 cut A3 type upper is no big deal at all. For starters, semi-auto AR's don;t need M4 feed ramps. And even if you rebarrel, you CAN put an M4 feed ramp extension into a non=-ramped upper and it will work fine. It's the opposite that is not true - you can't reliably put a non-M4 extension into an M4 feedramp upper.

I'm not saying these are a good deal - just that the uppers on these rifles are probably not as bad as you are making them out to be greentips.

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Need pics and more info, but what greentips has written is very accurate, the optics are great, but you would need that trij to be refurbished for tritium, but PO could do that for you and get around ITAR, not sure if that Trij model is on the list for export/import....I wouldn't trust general issue guns that much, just from my MIL background and limited LEO info i have from friends, that could be very risky..
 
While these are general issue, 20" AR15 patrol rifles would not have seen much use. If they were 14.5" SWAT issue CQB type guns, they would be worn out dogs, but I'd bet these saw minimal use.

DPMS still sells a TON of free float rails identical to the ones on these guns and the 20" HBAR barrels on them probably shoot really well if a bench rifle AR15 is what you are after.
 
Doesn't PO have armorer's in house? Would they not make sure the rifles were in decent shape? I have dealt with them in the pass and I've always been happy with my purchases and support afterwards. I do think $1400 is a bit much for these rifles though. But that may just be me being cheap.
 
I don;t think $1400 is "unheard of" expensive when they throw in an ACOG ;) The rifle has to be better than a $700 Norinco just by itself!
 
Claven2 said:
I don;t think $1400 is "unheard of" expensive when they throw in an ACOG ;) The rifle has to be better than a $700 Norinco just by itself!
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the Acog isnt included...and its +tax...PO's price is out in space, just like their customer service.
If this is the style you want, post a want ad in your club's clubhouse. There's a tonne of older club members selling their Colt's for $900-$1000 because that's more than they paid for them years ago, and your assured it hasn't seen much use when you can see and discuss the rifle with the original owner.
 
Oh, it isn't included? The ad reads like it is. I'm not interested - I'm just saying that the rifle isn;t all that bad, IF the ACOG is included.
 
the ACOG is included. It says it right in the add. Right before "no iron sights". I found the price high just due to fact that I was feeling cheap and was hoping that PO would just blow these out at about $7-800.

Just out of curiosity, how much money is it to get the ACOG re-conditioned?
 
Wow...I'll be honest; I'm even more undecided than when I started! Thanks for the input though...I've e-mailed to confirm pricing and to get more details. As far as I can tell though, the TA11 "is" included but as others have said, the tritium is probably on its way out. That said Viktor, have you been in touch with PO about these weapons before? I have read though that Trijicon may replace the vials free of charge if the sight fails a brightness test. That said, they apparently do not advertise this and will just ask you to send the sight in for work.

I also understand that it's "desirable" to have M4 feed ramps and 1:7 twist (though 1:9 is ok). Having little understanding of the lower receiver myself, would anyone know whether it would be relatively easy to drop in a new upper at a later date?

Or should I really just look at something new... (I will be checking out the EE forum's later tonight I hope)
 
I know a buddy bought one a little while ago. He's extremely happy with the gun and the price paid.

And yes, the ACOG is included. For a perfectly good range gun, with a quality optic, the price is very good.
 
Lowers and uppers readily interchange unless it's a commercial colt upper/lower. It would be easy to change the Bushmaster upper.

I would not worry about the difference between 1/9 and 1/7 or the lack or presence of M4 feed ramps. You don't shoot full auto and most likely you don't shoot heavier than 62 grain.
 
Yeah...just read that about the M4 ramps....and that 1:7 isn't that big of a deal as it'll be mostly .223 going through it anyway.

Wicked: did your friend give any indication as to whether they've been reconditioned, etc? I'd imagine that PO wouldn't send out crap...but....

I am glad to hear he's happy with it...I don't plan of clearing buildings with the thing or trying to copy a patrol rifle...something I can be happy with out of the box, use on the range and not have to worry about it breaking

Well...I'll be interested to hear the $ and if they've still got stock....
 
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