Discussion of Value for Dollar of HK products.

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I cant help but notice the monetary value placed on HK rifles, and I have to ask myself, what sort of value for dollar does one who buys one of these exquisite rifles get?

I mean, the MR223 seems insanely priced for an AR, but then again I'm new to the community, and perhaps just dont know better. I mean You can get a sweet vltor upper with full rails (one piece upper), a great noveske barrel in a free floating setup, sights, mags, furnature... everything top notch for less than the very high price of an MR228.

I suppose there is much to be said about having everything produced and assembled by one manufacturer. But I just cant seem to justify the cost ( there is a new MR228 listed in the EE for 3800$). Like i said, maybe this chalks down to my inexperience within the firearms community. But I need a little help on this one guys. If I'm looking for a premium AR, and could afford the HK should I get it? I really like quality things, but I also dont mind spending half as much ans getting twice the value for dollar as an HK if its possible.

Lets just break it down to two questions.
1- In your opinion is the HK MR223 a good value for dollar purchase, and why?
2- If there was an alternative what would you setup to generate a very nice AR with greater value for dollar?

Im looking for a rifle I can use for CQB, but also have the ability to reach out and touch somebody.
 
HK is like Swiss Arms. Very good quality control and a very nicely finished product. Are they worth the price....that has been debated to death here for years. If you can afford them you will not be disappointed. If you want a pretty good gun and more money for ammo there are other good choices.

One of the reasons that HK, Swiss Arms, Colt Canada and a few others are so sought after is their quality control and high standards of materials / workmanship. For those who run guns very hard...with hi capacity mags...in high rates of fire...it makes a difference. Some break down more often than those with high quality control and materials. When my life is on the line (not relevant to most sport shooters with 5 or 10 round mags on the range) I want one of those three makes...or just a very few others.

It's like pistols. When one goes around the world looking at high level units, 3 guns are seen over and over and over. Sig Sauer, HK and Glock.

Rich
 
THank you Ritch. I had imagined that this topic had been touched on before, however I searched both HK and MR223 in the keywords field in advanced search, and got few hits. Now that I think about it however, I didn't expand the field of dates within the search perimeters. Like I said I'm still learning the ropes of the forum, so please forgive me when I ask a question that has already been asked to death.
 
I have several HK handguns and like them. I dont care much for the MR223 for a variety of reasons. I personally think that the MR223 is overpriced for what it offers in comparison to other brand name guns. Does that mean its a bad buy for you? Only you and your cash can decide that.
 
Buying an H&K is like drinking Johnny Walker Blue.

Is it better than Black? Sure.

Are you getting the best bang for your buck? Probably not.
 
Rich LPS said:
No problem HazeMK. Valid questions. Just make sure you can shoot whatever you buy LOTS and LOTS...

Rich
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Rich if you had to use your own money and bought a gun just for range use, not for work or stuff like that. Do you think the MR223 is still worth the premium compared to say a Colt or LMT?
 
Like I said I'm still learning the ropes of the forum, so please forgive me when I ask a question that has already been asked to death.
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Your question is good. You can investigate some of the other threads. Use advanced search, 36 months. As already stated, other guns like a Swiss Arms, Colt, Noveske, will also give you a feel for some competitors.

But everyone is different. One guy wants the very best and gets one. Someone else is happy with a more economical choice and ends up with 2 or 3 or a handgun or something else.

If you are a person that want to have the very best, and you can afford it, do your research and try to figure out what the best for you will be. It might not be the HK, could be something else right?

If you are the type of person that can make do with something excellent, find out what it is.

I usually buy something I want to keep for a long time, but that can change too, so really it's hard.

So, let me just say I don't even know that much about Black Rifles. I just know in my situation I need something less costly than $3,800. That is just me not you?
 
The HK is a piston gun, so it's really a departure from the true AR design. In my opinion (everyone has one) for the cost of the HK you can get a very good AR and a decent quantity of ammunition. It's impossible to develope any kind of skill without actually shooting, so if you're going to skimp on ammunition in order to have the flashy gun, there's a good chance of being disappointed. If however you can afford both the MR223 AND the ammo to keep it fed, by all means go for it. Regardless of what you pay for your AR (or other Black Rifle) you'll easily surpass it in ammo fired within a year or two. Personally I'd be looking at an LMT and a reloading setup.

PS, I think it's a very valid question, but like I said everyone has an opinion, take it for what it's worth.
 
first off i'll say i've never shot one. that said i do own a swiss arms and i think the hk and swiss are in the same class that gets bashed for the high price tag. I think if it is the gun you love (as it was for me with the swiss arms) then there is nothing else you'll buy that will be okay. Personally the only ar's i'd buy are the HK you are talking about, and maybe a Noveske or something but really it would be the HK.
 
Totally up to you man. What makes all the difference is how much you practice; shooting's a skill has to be learned hands on. A guy with a norc that shoots 2000+ rounds a year will be a far better shot then a guy that shoots 500 rounds a year.

BUT I would recomend getting a normal run of the mill AR15 for now. Keep in mind, gun is only a fraction of the cost for shooting. How I see it:

MR223 - $$4445.00 (Wolverine supplies) + 5%tax + $40 S&H = $4700 landed at your door give or take (I live in Alberta, no PST. :D), give or take $20.




If it were my money, here's how I'd go about it.
Stag AR15: $1,485.00 (Arms East) + $40 S&H
5x LAR-10 magazines - $174.75 + $30 S&H (whenever we get them)
Range membership - $200 to $500

MSA Sordins Pro X (SRS tactical) - $285 + $30 S&H + Ear Inc Insta Mold - $60 *

Work bench: $50 to $200 - dependant on carpentry skill and availible time
Dillon 550 setup for 223 (TSE) $600
Tumbler: $100 (whatever is availible at your local area, too many options to list)
Media seperator - $30
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Total + 5% GST = 3711.49

Remainder - $988.51 Roughly 2000 rounds of ammo.


The gun may not be as ###y but you'll be an infinitely better shot and you'll enjoy your range session a whole lot more. But that's just me of course.
 
If i wanted another AR it would be something from KAC next, but if i was only to buy 1 AR right now it would be the MR223 if 556 was the ammo i was bent on shooting...The gun will last forever and does everything you want it too, only downside is weight, if you are an average civi, then probably going down to a thinner barrel profile is ideal. For me the weight is fine, especially considering the added capability it gives me...

$3800 green tips, yeesh I'm tempting getting another one, really....I actually think the MR308 is the better option of the 2 though...
 
HK makes excellent quality firearms that come at a premium price. If you were talking pistols I would definitely recommend HK as they have designed and built some of the finest pistols ever.

My feeling on the MR223 is this; the AR15 is a North American designed rifle that is built by numerous companies in the US and Canada, so why pay the HK premium for a rifle that already has so many high quality domestic manufacturers?

Sure, anything HK comes with a degree of "luxury/prestige" attached to it, but in this case it's like asking Mercedes Benz to re-make the '57 Chev.

That being said, if you can afford a MR223 and that's what you really want then go for it!
 
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The HK is a piston gun, so it's really a departure from the true AR design. In my opinion (everyone has one) for the cost of the HK you can get a very good AR and a decent quantity of ammunition. It's impossible to develope any kind of skill without actually shooting, so if you're going to skimp on ammunition in order to have the flashy gun, there's a good chance of being disappointed. If however you can afford both the MR223 AND the ammo to keep it fed, by all means go for it. Regardless of what you pay for your AR (or other Black Rifle) you'll easily surpass it in ammo fired within a year or two. Personally I'd be looking at an LMT and a reloading setup.

PS, I think it's a very valid question, but like I said everyone has an opinion, take it for what it's worth.
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If you must have a piston AR, HK is probably the best way to go. That said, piston ARs have no real benefit to offset the negatives for most users. I don't think many of us are using any combination of at least two of the following three items: short barrels, suppressors, and/or high volume automatic fire.
 
You're paying $2500-$3000 for the name. For civilian use, a piston AR isn't required, but if you absolutely have to have one, companies like LMT or even STAG make quality models that offer comparable reliability and quality at far more reasonable prices.

If I was looking for an over-the-top, "prestige" AR, for the same price, or thereabouts, I'd opt for a KAC SR-15, or if especially flush, an SR-25.

Frankly, the civilian HKs have zero appeal for me, as they aren't compatible with any other standard AR on the market. I also dislike the OEM grip and their buttstock looks to be a rip-off of another well-known stock.

For almost $5K, you should instantly love the rifle you're thinking about buying...my first impression was "meh..." However, each to his own. :)
 
Lmt's and Stag's, or even lwrc's system are nothing compared to hk.

Hk is the only combat proven and widely purchased system in reasonable scale by professional militaries with some reputation ( discounting all those that buy stuff because they are new and shiny). All others are mainly hobby kits purchased by the commercial market.

If you are buying a fun rifle, sure they are all the same. If you want a proven system with some real military milage the only system is made by hk.

The price is a rip off, but the alternatives are distant second best. Pick you poison.
 
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