I just applied for my PAL in Ontario and I hate how everything takes so long. I want to get started now! Application received on June 1st, I called in today and the CFO agent told me it will still not in the system yet and could take up to three weeks. I was also told the CFO may have sent in the results on my behalf and told me to call in when it's online to confirm (anyone hear about that?)
I was just wondering, aren't there studies which show the effectiveness of having a mandatory waiting period in preventing suicides, murders etc? It seems most countries have some sort of a waiting period for new gun applicants before getting their license even with a clear criminal background.
Don't worry... they won't.. since they want you to wait as much as possible,..
There have been.. (rangebob I'm sure has all of those including the refuting of such claims). However think of it this way... where suicides are concerned and the anti's love to tout such... simple fact is suicide rates have remained very constant since long before c-68 etc/... sure the # via firearms varies.. but there are just as many people that are just as dead. So therefore if it is about "if just one life is saved" then again "gun control" is beyond pointless.
Not only do those intent on killing themselves do so via other methods... those same "preventative" measures in turn end up costing lives due to a variety of factors..
How about the woman whom is threatened by her crazy ex-bf... whom she only dated.... but since he has not 'done anything' he is not arrested... she is denied the ability to buy that gun and carry it to protect herself....
How about the dozens of women on a college/university campus or even just "in town" that are left as potential victims.. since they cannot be armed... against say Paul Bernardo... Imagine of any of his victims were armed... his "career" could very well have been infinitely shorter.. and if he had been killed via such... well we as a society would not still be paying for that POS's upkeep etc..
As for murders... even w/o a waiting period... those intent on doing such still do.. one case such as the man on the Hamilton mountain.. whom the police "removed his firearms' for others safety.... so he used a machete and chopped his wife apart on the front lawn..
Fact is in most cases of killing it is a weapon of opportunity at the time... it is not "oh I think I'll go buy a gun and shoot X"... and the most common weapon used is a kitchen knife.
Now for each one the anti's would claim to "save" due to such feel good rules... there are more lives lost becuase of the same.
Therefore if it is all about "if is saves just one life" then there should be no gun control at all other than a prohibition for criminals... and since we already know the criminals ignore the laws... any such attempts to legislate against their having them that also impacts the non-criminals is beyond useless.
When simple logic is applied there is zero grounds at all in any way shape or form for "gun control" to be implemented... which brings it back to the real nature of such... it is not about "guns"... it is about control... and that is what matters.
Since you are a newbie... etc etc I will leave it with these quotes... speaking far better than I ever could:
"Ignorance can only propel anti-gun legislation so far until it smacks into the hard wall of the truth!"
- Mark A. Keefe IV
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed." Patrick Henry
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. ” – Noah Webster of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, 1787.
"Ask your class how many people have been killed from alcohol related deaths compared to guns. Take a look at Statistics Canada for your answers to both. When your class hears the answers their mouths will drop and guns will seem harmless in comparison. If it wasn't for guns we would be under Nazi countrol. The gun is what gave us our very freedoms we have today. Tell the anti's to put that in their pipes and smoke it."
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose.’’
— James Earl Jones, Actor
After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it.
-- William Burroughs
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." - The Art of the Rifle by Jeff Cooper
"No free man shall be debarred the use of arms within his own lands." – Thomas Jefferson
"Let me make a short, opening, blanket comment. There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody – except bad people." – Charlton Heston
Simple possession of a firearm is a crime in Canada. Didn't use to be. That changed in 1995. More crimes, more criminals, more citizens controllable.
"...disarming the Canadian public is part of the new humanitarian social agenda."
- Foreign Affairs Minister Lloyd Axeworthy at a Gun Control conference in Oslo, Norway in 1998.
And perhaps the most important of them all since it is far more common than any common criminal.. or crazed lunatic:
"The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." – Thomas Jefferson
And of course words Wendy would love to have never spoken:
"After the period of sort of inflated expectations and hype, people start looking more critically at what the costs really are, what the limitations really are, what it really can do, really can't do, what the unintended consequences are, etc., and start to bring their expectations more in line with the reality."
- Wendy Cukier