Shorten PAL Approval Times

Why do people in Ont. Have to wait for their test results? I challenged both exams and the instructor (he had literally just finished a PAL course and test) gave me the results sheet to include with my RPAL application, right then and there. I think he said he would be mailing/faxing the actual test in but the results sheet was accepted with my app. with no problem. I thought all of the provinces were working from the same legislation. Wouldn't that mean the same process would be in place across the country?

Because the CFO here has his head firmly up his ass.
:rolleyes:
 
Just called in to check on getting my test results from the ontario cfo and to give them a fax number to send me my test results because of the strike. The lady told me that they had already finished and mailed all of May tests (i did mine 1st week of May). So now my test results are stuck in limbo because of teh canada post strike :mad::mad:
 
Just called in to check on getting my test results from the ontario cfo and to give them a fax number to send me my test results because of the strike. The lady told me that they had already finished and mailed all of May tests (i did mine 1st week of May). So now my test results are stuck in limbo because of teh canada post strike :mad::mad:

They keep a copy on file of the results... ask that they fax it to the CFC
 
call em up :)..saves alot of hassle...and waiting...im sure id still be waiting for my "approval" if I didnt call in yesterday

called cfo today and they gave me my licence #..IN ONTARIO:eek:

anyways I wish to go purchase my hunting rifle this weekend do you think a regular store like say lebaron would need the actual card to sell me a rifle..or is the number good enough?


They will need to see the card to do a purchase. Photo along with number and all that.
 
Why do people in Ont. Have to wait for their test results? I challenged both exams and the instructor (he had literally just finished a PAL course and test) gave me the results sheet to include with my RPAL application, right then and there. I think he said he would be mailing/faxing the actual test in but the results sheet was accepted with my app. with no problem. I thought all of the provinces were working from the same legislation. Wouldn't that mean the same process would be in place across the country?

Nope. Some of us are more unequal than others.............
 
Just called in to check on getting my test results from the ontario cfo and to give them a fax number to send me my test results because of the strike. The lady told me that they had already finished and mailed all of May tests (i did mine 1st week of May). So now my test results are stuck in limbo because of teh canada post strike :mad::mad:

I just phoned and the very nice lady told me that she thinks they are only half way into May. And my application is still not online. This is one sad dude.
 
Complain to your MP / ombudsman etc... since there should be no valid reason for such delays.



The CFO's "boss" is the minister Community Safety and Correctional Services and more directly the deputy minster and of course in the case of ON the OPP

First contact your MPP and MP... and then w/o waiting for them to do something:

File a complaint with the Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services
http://www.mcscs.jus.gov.on.ca/english/contact_us/contact_us.asp

File a complaint with the ombudsman:
http://www.ombudsman.on.ca/en.aspx

You can also file a complaint with the OPP as well for ON:
http://www.opp.ca/ecms/index.php?id=530

I contacted all of these. Man, I hope this doesn't piss anyone off. (I was very polite and non-judgemental in my queries).
 
well there is still the 28 day waiting period. and seeing that i'm a first time applicant, that wait period will have to do its course anyway.

i'm just trying to cut the processing time by following the advise from this thread.
 
well there is still the 28 day waiting period. and seeing that i'm a first time applicant, that wait period will have to do its course anyway.

i'm just trying to cut the processing time by following the advise from this thread.

Indeed.... and even the 28 days is pointless stupidity.

However that said.. there is no reason why it should ever not have been done and issued and put in the mail on the 28th day.
 
I just applied for my PAL in Ontario and I hate how everything takes so long. I want to get started now! Application received on June 1st, I called in today and the CFO agent told me it will still not in the system yet and could take up to three weeks. I was also told the CFO may have sent in the results on my behalf and told me to call in when it's online to confirm (anyone hear about that?)

Indeed.... and even the 28 days is pointless stupidity.

However that said.. there is no reason why it should ever not have been done and issued and put in the mail on the 28th day.

I was just wondering, aren't there studies which show the effectiveness of having a mandatory waiting period in preventing suicides, murders etc? It seems most countries have some sort of a waiting period for new gun applicants before getting their license even with a clear criminal background.
 
I submitted both my PAL and RPAL application in on May 16th--my dad submitted his on the same date. His is being processed and has been in their system for three weeks. Mine has yet to see the light of day. I've called the RCMP about it and they say it must be stuck in the mail, yet I can't help but be frustrated since the strike has only been going for two weeks. That's a full week of unexplained delay. :(

So it's four weeks down, at least six more to go (once they start processing it).
 
I just applied for my PAL in Ontario and I hate how everything takes so long. I want to get started now! Application received on June 1st, I called in today and the CFO agent told me it will still not in the system yet and could take up to three weeks. I was also told the CFO may have sent in the results on my behalf and told me to call in when it's online to confirm (anyone hear about that?)



I was just wondering, aren't there studies which show the effectiveness of having a mandatory waiting period in preventing suicides, murders etc? It seems most countries have some sort of a waiting period for new gun applicants before getting their license even with a clear criminal background.


Don't worry... they won't.. since they want you to wait as much as possible,..


There have been.. (rangebob I'm sure has all of those including the refuting of such claims). However think of it this way... where suicides are concerned and the anti's love to tout such... simple fact is suicide rates have remained very constant since long before c-68 etc/... sure the # via firearms varies.. but there are just as many people that are just as dead. So therefore if it is about "if just one life is saved" then again "gun control" is beyond pointless.

Not only do those intent on killing themselves do so via other methods... those same "preventative" measures in turn end up costing lives due to a variety of factors..

How about the woman whom is threatened by her crazy ex-bf... whom she only dated.... but since he has not 'done anything' he is not arrested... she is denied the ability to buy that gun and carry it to protect herself....

How about the dozens of women on a college/university campus or even just "in town" that are left as potential victims.. since they cannot be armed... against say Paul Bernardo... Imagine of any of his victims were armed... his "career" could very well have been infinitely shorter.. and if he had been killed via such... well we as a society would not still be paying for that POS's upkeep etc..


As for murders... even w/o a waiting period... those intent on doing such still do.. one case such as the man on the Hamilton mountain.. whom the police "removed his firearms' for others safety.... so he used a machete and chopped his wife apart on the front lawn..

Fact is in most cases of killing it is a weapon of opportunity at the time... it is not "oh I think I'll go buy a gun and shoot X"... and the most common weapon used is a kitchen knife.

Now for each one the anti's would claim to "save" due to such feel good rules... there are more lives lost becuase of the same.

Therefore if it is all about "if is saves just one life" then there should be no gun control at all other than a prohibition for criminals... and since we already know the criminals ignore the laws... any such attempts to legislate against their having them that also impacts the non-criminals is beyond useless.

When simple logic is applied there is zero grounds at all in any way shape or form for "gun control" to be implemented... which brings it back to the real nature of such... it is not about "guns"... it is about control... and that is what matters.

Since you are a newbie... etc etc I will leave it with these quotes... speaking far better than I ever could:

"Ignorance can only propel anti-gun legislation so far until it smacks into the hard wall of the truth!"
- Mark A. Keefe IV

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed." Patrick Henry


“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. ” – Noah Webster of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, 1787.

"Ask your class how many people have been killed from alcohol related deaths compared to guns. Take a look at Statistics Canada for your answers to both. When your class hears the answers their mouths will drop and guns will seem harmless in comparison. If it wasn't for guns we would be under Nazi countrol. The gun is what gave us our very freedoms we have today. Tell the anti's to put that in their pipes and smoke it."


"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose.’’
— James Earl Jones, Actor

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it.
-- William Burroughs

"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." - The Art of the Rifle by Jeff Cooper

"No free man shall be debarred the use of arms within his own lands." – Thomas Jefferson

"Let me make a short, opening, blanket comment. There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody – except bad people." – Charlton Heston

Simple possession of a firearm is a crime in Canada. Didn't use to be. That changed in 1995. More crimes, more criminals, more citizens controllable.

"...disarming the Canadian public is part of the new humanitarian social agenda."
- Foreign Affairs Minister Lloyd Axeworthy at a Gun Control conference in Oslo, Norway in 1998.

And perhaps the most important of them all since it is far more common than any common criminal.. or crazed lunatic:

"The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." – Thomas Jefferson

And of course words Wendy would love to have never spoken:

"After the period of sort of inflated expectations and hype, people start looking more critically at what the costs really are, what the limitations really are, what it really can do, really can't do, what the unintended consequences are, etc., and start to bring their expectations more in line with the reality."

- Wendy Cukier
 
MASTEROFNONE If you have just written the test on june 1st expect at least 6-8 weeks to get your papers from cfo, postal strike or not. That is how long it takes the ontario cfo to even look at them and put on the golden stamps and send back to you. I have heard they can fax on your behalf to NB RCMP but like i said that will be in 6-8 weeks. I wouldn't expect that he would fax it unless you made the request. Send in your app early to the Rcmp if you can with the note that papers will follow and get the app 28 days rolling. If you get your app in early (courier or some other means)the soonest you will get in ontario is 2 months from when you wrote the test. If not could be 3-4 months if you wait on papers. get cracking.
 
I just applied for my PAL in Ontario and I hate how everything takes so long. I want to get started now! Application received on June 1st, I called in today and the CFO agent told me it will still not in the system yet and could take up to three weeks. I was also told the CFO may have sent in the results on my behalf and told me to call in when it's online to confirm (anyone hear about that?)

You sent your application to the CFC not the CFO. If you sent it registered mail and know that it has arrived there is no point in calling CFC back since your wait for the Ont. CFO to stamp your tests will be 6-8 weeks.
If you don't know that it has been delivered, call again.
As far as the Ont. CFO helping you out, not bloody likely.
 
Still waiting on "the golden stamp" from CFO. It's been 5 weeks. The postal strike isn't helping either. Anyway, my question is, if I have a POL licence now, will I still do the 28 day waiting period once I send all the paperwork to Miramichi? I'm applying for a PAL licence only.
 
I was just wondering, aren't there studies which show the effectiveness of having a mandatory waiting period in preventing suicides, murders etc?

I don't know... But I do know that it is extremely dangerous to have people taking their firearm safety course, and then wait for months until they have forgotten the material before they can actually practice on a firearm. So I highly doubt safety has anything the waiting period.
 
I don't know... But I do know that it is extremely dangerous to have people taking their firearm safety course, and then wait for months until they have forgotten the material before they can actually practice on a firearm. So I highly doubt safety has anything the waiting period.

I believe this to be true also.
 
I don't know... But I do know that it is extremely dangerous to have people taking their firearm safety course, and then wait for months until they have forgotten the material before they can actually practice on a firearm. So I highly doubt safety has anything the waiting period.

My thoughts exactly. You take a course and then you're forced to wait months till you can even handle a firearm again, in the mean time forgetting most of what they taught you..... yup, safety first!

The whole way they run this licensing process is friggin stupid. I don't understand why they don't have you go through the whole application process first, get all the paper work, interviews and other stuff out of the way THEN once you've been approved have you take the safety course and once passed issue you a licence within a week or two. I also don't think it's right that they force you to spend a couple hundred dollars on a course before you even know if they'll issue you a licence. Personally, I'd rather pay the eighty dollar processing fee first then take a course knowing once passed I'll be guaranteed a licence.
 
Pal/rpal

Well in less than 2months, after sending in the application for my PAL/RPAL, it has been issued.

Definitely worth getting the references to call in.

Stupid postal strike will delay me receiving my card, but at least it's been issued!
 
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