7.62x39 surplus ammo

I'm a hunter and I own an SKS as well. I don't have any issues with folks shooting a lot of ammo quickly, as long as they're following range rules and etiquette. Maybe they're shooting at other guy's targets or where they're not supposed to, and the banning of
the cheap ammo is meant to discourage the yahoos. I could also see some serious target shooters or guys working on their hunting loads for accuracy being a bit put off by constant rapid firing. Maybe a specific time for playing with semi-autos and cheap ammo would've worked just as well, if it was about distraction and not yahoos?
 
pisces-guy said:
I'm a hunter and I own an SKS as well. I don't have any issues with folks shooting a lot of ammo quickly, as long as they're following range rules and etiquette. Maybe they're shooting at other guy's targets or where they're not supposed to, and the banning of
the cheap ammo is meant to discourage the yahoos. I could also see some serious target shooters or guys working on their hunting loads for accuracy being a bit put off by constant rapid firing. Maybe a specific time for playing with semi-autos and cheap ammo would've worked just as well, if it was about distraction and not yahoos?
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Please do not come to the clubs I shoot at. We have enough rules and bull#### already.
 
The only way for me to shoot 7.62X39 is to buy surplus and replace the steel core with lead, its a pain to do especially now the bloody bullet puller cam lock handle broke. :mad:
 
Well this post wasn't really about politics but more about the legal side of things. Aren't steel cored bullets considered illegal? Also, is there anybody else who has issues at their range about some type of bullets being banned? From what i read, only indoor range have to be certified for steel ammo, I didnt read anything about outdoor ranges.
 
You can't use them on any outdoor range in Sask (as far as I know). The reason I've been given is because they are full metal jacket and ricochet and insurance won't cover their use on the range. Again, that's what I've been told.
 
No rules like that at Regina's range as of last fall. I shot lots of surplus there. Maybe the issue is with idiots who don't pick up their casings after shooting. I'd shoot 100-120 rounds, pick up 400+ casings, and never make a dent in the X39 casing piles laying around.

No problems in Brandon with surplus so far either. Although, the results of constant and massive retardation from X39 shooters here may get that changed soon. Only the morons with shotguns who blast brand new target hangers to pieces from 10' away are worse.

End rant.
 
Fire Hazard

At the Victoria Fish & Game Club range, sparks from steel-core projectiles have set fire to dry grass in past years, resulting in a ban until conditions change. This has happened only in very dry weather and the ban lasts until the rains start in the fall.
 
LibertySon said:
You can't use them on any outdoor range in Sask (as far as I know). The reason I've been given is because they are full metal jacket and ricochet and insurance won't cover their use on the range. Again, that's what I've been told.
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In this part of the country pretty well anything (except incendiary, which you can't get anywhere anyways) can be shot outdoors. Steel core isn't generally allowed in indoor ranges because they can damage the backstops. Out door ranges don't want you using them on gongs either for the same reasons.

They kept service rifle off of the Mundare range (back around 2001 I think) because of the lame fmj ricochet argument. In reality, any bullet can ricochet if it hits the right surface. Besides, one can always argue that SP and HP bullets pose a fragmentation risk to people down-range as well.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the actions of various 'tards out there, but I think this stuff was just made up by the Fudds out there so they can have a nice uncrowded place to shoot all for themselves.
 
RMXC51 said:
No rules like that at Regina's range as of last fall. I shot lots of surplus there. Maybe the issue is with idiots who don't pick up their casings after shooting. I'd shoot 100-120 rounds, pick up 400+ casings, and never make a dent in the X39 casing piles laying around.

No problems in Brandon with surplus so far either. Although, the results of constant and massive retardation from X39 shooters here may get that changed soon. Only the morons with shotguns who blast brand new target hangers to pieces from 10' away are worse.

End rant.
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I always pick up more than I shoot because I worry about this. But if 7.62x39 gets banned I will just drive to a gravel pit and not renew my membership.
 
Petrock, I love it out in beautiful uncrowded B.C. so I'm sure I won't be coming to your range in Ontario...but I wasn't talking about adding more rules unless there are yahoos that don't respect other shooters. Respecting each other as opposed to calling each other names is going to get us a lot further, both inside our sport and in how our sport is perceived by the public.
 
RMXC51 said:
No rules like that at Regina's range as of last fall. I shot lots of surplus there.

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Actually, there are rules like that at all but one of Reginas' ranges........

Only the Wildlife federation range is currently LICENSED BY THE CFO to allow FMJ and steel core ammunition.

All of the other ranges have been threatened by the CFO with closure if steel case and FMJ ammo is used. It has caused quite a stir at club meetings etc. as the "Fuds" have no recourse but to appear to be a**holes and actively enforce the ruling of the local CFO.

Just FYI, it may not be an arbitrary decision from the executive of your local range but actually a ruling from the CFO that instated the 'no steel ammo' rules at your local range......
 
Muffins37 said:
I went to my local club to shoot the other day and someone left a note saying that surplus 7.62x39 ammo couldnt be used anymore because the bullets contained steel (not talking about the casing here but the actual bullets). Does anybody know anything about this nonsense?
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It's either a club policy (contact an executive of the club) or fudd be makin stuff up.
 
if they ban steel core they might as well ban lead as well since it contaminate the soil, everyone should just lineup at the line and make "bang bang" sound.:HR:
 
Muffins37 said:
Well this post wasn't really about politics but more about the legal side of things. Aren't steel cored bullets considered illegal? Also, is there anybody else who has issues at their range about some type of bullets being banned? From what i read, only indoor range have to be certified for steel ammo, I didnt read anything about outdoor ranges.
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Steel core bullets are legal to possess, own, shoot. The military uses C77, which is okay with NATO. It is labeled AP (Armour piercing) only because it is required to penetrate 3mm steel (if i recall correct). There is no law that exists in the Criminal Code that states this is illegal for any civilian to possess or shoot. Just Provincial law regarding no hunting with steel penetrators (look up your hunting regs).
 
Fortunately for the rapid fire sks yahoos that do ruin it for some at the range, the firearm is non restricted and can be shot off the range, so no biggy, just take the gun somewhere else. Ranges are pretty sacred very hard to get approval for and the only place restricteds can be shot so guys get pretty protective when they think there one last place on earth for shooting shorties is at risk. I get it, it's no fudery it's looking ahead and understanding exactly where we are in the range game. Try opening a new one and you'll soon find out it isn't that easy. No body wants the liability of injury or lead contamination on their property so new ones are impossible to open.
 
hbean said:
if they ban steel core they might as well ban lead as well since it contaminate the soil, everyone should just lineup at the line and make "bang bang" sound.:HR:
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Hbean, they ban steel core as it's a veiled attempt at banning cheap ammo and keeping the rambos that shoot everything they can at the range. Ever tried to tame these guys down at the range? I have, and it's safer to leave than confront, and safer to restrict them then remove them. Its only a few buts it's enough to sink the ship. A small hole will sink a ship if left unattended, CFO are looking for any excuse to shut down ranges. I don't like rules either but sometimes you have to live with them to keep the privilege. Not on a side here just saying the way it is.
 
^^^Then let the CFO's be the bad guys (let them enforce the "regulations"). We aren't cops, we're not equipped for any confrontations, nor do we have the "expertise" to make rulings/decisions on what ammo or firearms are OK in their book or not. I was at my local range the other day. A guy thought that my Czech Arms 223 was an AK, another thought it was a 308 AR-10!:); and another asked me about my M-1 carbine! If they want us enforce the regulations, then give us (and pay us) for training etc., for enforcing their rules.

Besides, I'm not sure these "rules" really exist....in the case of one local range getting recertified (after spending thousands) the lawyer can find no law/regulation stating that once approved for use, ranges need to be re-approved (this has been done because everyone either went along with it, or apparently assumed re-approval/certification every few years was required). If this is the case, they don't have the authority to ban fmj ammo etc.,

I realize they can make things very difficult, but we can take "death by a thousand cuts" or pick a hill to fight on and go to court. Soft point/hollwpoint/hunting ammo arguable fragments (more) and ricochets just as much as fmj.

If the CFO's (and their allies) want to ban/limit stuff on ranges, then they'll have more people shooting out in the countryside in impromptu ranges. According to their own (CFO) logic, this would be even more unsafe than shooting at a "regulated" range.

Gee, I thought it was supposed to be about "safety", not further banning fmj ammo (or anything else) for that matter. But hey, if they want yahoos shooting at impromptu range cutlines, OK then! Sheesh! Wouldn't they rather have people at a range under these circumstances????????
 
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