The Gospel Explained
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It's interesting that SOME of the same group of people (gun owners) who don't want to be compared to lunatic murderers who use guns are willing to persecute Christians (me, Frontier etc.) because of the actions of a few. (door knockers, televangelists etc)
Bigotry is a funny thing, it's always someone else who's intolerant.
Bigotry is a funny thing, it's always someone else who's intolerant.
LOL, How about, if it wasn't for humanity, there'd be alot less wars, and trouble in general.
Religion is simply a basic facet of humanity, whether it be judeo-christian, islamic, or humanist. THere are alot of posters here that are argueing or engaged in a intellectual conflict simply because of a link on somebody's web site, no??
North Eastern Arms
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two points;
1) In the future pick up a book before running your yap.....
2) The crusades started in 1097, with half of europe under the control of muslims/moors/ottomans. Their original purpose was to free europe, that battle went on well into the 1400's.
North Eastern Arms
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This comment is an indictment of our current education system. If there were no crusades, you would be whining to us about something else in arabic or farsi.
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I am not religious at all. Don't believe in God, the heavens above, etc..
BUT ...
I do respect the views of any who do.
So long as I am paying a fair market value for the product I want, I don't care who I buy from.
About the only consideration I make when purchasing any item, if prices are negligably the same, is if it is a small(ish) family run business, or a "big box store" ... if such is the case, I will always purchase from the smaller guy.
BUT ...
I do respect the views of any who do.
So long as I am paying a fair market value for the product I want, I don't care who I buy from.
About the only consideration I make when purchasing any item, if prices are negligably the same, is if it is a small(ish) family run business, or a "big box store" ... if such is the case, I will always purchase from the smaller guy.
Ok, so do you normally read only portions of a book, and then quote and dictate on it and the history following it as if you have great knowledge of it?
There are lots of things in the Bible, and it isn't just a rule book to look something up in when you need an answer to your life's problems.
Here is the some of the last words recorded by the Living God on Earth (Jesus Christ):
John 18:36-37
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom [a]is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.” 37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
This gives finality to the fact that we (Christians only interested in the truth of the Gospel) do not physically do battle in the interest of propigating the Gospel, as it is a battle not of this realm, and that war is not with other people.
Therefore anyone that claims to be fighting a war on this earth in the name of God, for the purpose of furthering the interest of Christ, is only serving his own agenda. Same as any war monger, they are using something out of context to justify their actions and rally people to a false standard.
The portion of Deuteronomy that you quoted was also grossly out of context in regards to the crusades. That passage is specifically regarding the process of judgement against a person who commits homocide, and being disobedient in acting out the judgement made by the acting rulers of Isreal in regards to homocide at that time. That portion of Scripture was never historically used as justification for the Crusades.
Basically that passage is saying, you need more than one eye witness to give someone the death sentence, the sentence needs to be passed down by the (an) acting Judge of Isreal and Levitivical Priest in a place ordained by God after having the evidence presented to them, and if the accusers disregard the sentence or judgement then accuser is subject to the death penalty.
You should also read about what God did to people He placed in authority that disobeyed Him or abused their authority. It would keep me honest.
It all sounds good to me.
You can make yourself look incredibly foolish trying to accuse someone with evidence created by a 5 second google search.
Good for Frontier, and anyone that is willing to boycott them for their proclaimation of faith, well Praise God we have a free country
Nope, just Religion.
Good for Frontier, and anyone that is willing to boycott them for their proclaimation of faith, well Praise God we have a free country
For the record, I never said anything about a boycott to Frontier on my part.
I see. It's much easier to grab a bucket and brush, or hop on the wagon, instead of actually having an informed opinion.
It's apparent that this is a fingers in the ear discussion. I do take issue with someone claiming that Christ is at fault for something like the Crusades, when everything he said was exactly opposite and contrary to such action. Christ wasnt soft and snuggly, and could be quite offensive and even physically violent when righteously required. His character and teaching never justified or encouraged conversion by violence, quite the contrary actually.
I didn't intend to imply that. Thank you for pointing that out.
I was saying that to shame the persons stating they would boycott for proclaimation of faith when that proclaimation is a result of the same freedom hard fought for by those before us. They want what they want to be "free", but would restrict those that they don't agree with. For those that are doing that I have two shaming words:
You Liberals.
This we both agree upon.
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I could care less what FF chooses to believe, it wouldn't effect my decision to do business with them either way.
BUT,
Combining business and your religion is just plain dumb. This thread is proof of that. It's business OK, make your money and be done with it. Leave your beliefs out of it.
WHY?
Because you're not going to please everyone with your beliefs, and as such you may lose out on business because of it. I dunno, that's just how the world works.
SO,
If your main objective with your business is to make money then why would you promote something so taboo such as religion inside your business?
It's a s**tty business decision if I ever saw one. IMO the fact that link is even there seems like you're trying to force your beliefs on your customers. If you're not, then why would you risk putting it there knowing that it could effect business?
BUT,
Combining business and your religion is just plain dumb. This thread is proof of that. It's business OK, make your money and be done with it. Leave your beliefs out of it.
WHY?
Because you're not going to please everyone with your beliefs, and as such you may lose out on business because of it. I dunno, that's just how the world works.
SO,
If your main objective with your business is to make money then why would you promote something so taboo such as religion inside your business?
It's a s**tty business decision if I ever saw one. IMO the fact that link is even there seems like you're trying to force your beliefs on your customers. If you're not, then why would you risk putting it there knowing that it could effect business?
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I see my 9 word response has ruffled a few feathers as well as started an interesting conversation. It is positive to see that it has remained largely civil with limited name calling, which is appreciated. In answer to the question does religion cause wars the answer is clearly no. Wars are started by leaders who manipulate the masses into supporting the war. At the time of the crusades there was very little religion freedom (you could not even own a bible). The church was able to deceive the masses that it was a holly war. If there were no religions at the time and just football (soccer) the crusade would have been fought over the World Cup.
For those who will not buy from us because you are appalled that we would have beliefs that we will share to those that CHOOSE to click on a link, that is just to bad. Perhaps you need to be reminded that we did not get a left wing Jack/Iggy coalition government on May 2nd, that would be more then happy to take our freedoms along with our guns. I'm sure there are allot of things you would like to censor, but be very care full what you wish for.
And for Mr 50 Cal shooter, if money is all that a person is driven by, then yes you are correct what we linked off of our site is not wise, however as many people have discovered in life, money is not everything.
For those who will not buy from us because you are appalled that we would have beliefs that we will share to those that CHOOSE to click on a link, that is just to bad. Perhaps you need to be reminded that we did not get a left wing Jack/Iggy coalition government on May 2nd, that would be more then happy to take our freedoms along with our guns. I'm sure there are allot of things you would like to censor, but be very care full what you wish for.
And for Mr 50 Cal shooter, if money is all that a person is driven by, then yes you are correct what we linked off of our site is not wise, however as many people have discovered in life, money is not everything.
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