Is there proof that Ruger revolvers are stronger than S&Ws?

What do you mean by "didn't like"? Did it bulge? Ring? Blow?
By the way, my GP100 recently shot the 2500th full power magnum load. No issues whatsoever.

All the cases had to be pounded out of the cylinder and a bunch of them seperated. Scary stuff. However I believe the alloy the SRH cylinder is made of is designed to stretch and absorb some of the shock. This is OK as long as your working up loads for that gun and not using the ones for a Freedom Arms. I liked my SRH but it is crude compared to the Freedom Arms revolver, I shouldnt compare them that way because the F/A is alot more money.

I would love to get my hands on a 4.2" Redhawk though. I think they are a beautiful gun. As well as the blued GP 100 in the above post. I love the Ruger revolvers and pistols and think they are an excellent gun for the money they ask for them. They perform very well and always represent a good value.
 
I had a range officer once tell me that a Ruger will last 10 times as long on the range as a range gun than a S&W will. This was his word, and I have no evidence to show that but it made me think.....

Rentals, are also subject to popularity. How many gun newbs know the name Ruger, now how many know the name Smith and Wesson? I guarantee more people have heard of and would ask for the Smiths, so they get used more, which causes them to wear out quicker. Unless the range kept some nature of round count, which would be very difficult to do, just saying which gun lasts longer, can be misleading.
 
The S&W vs Ruger argument is based on a few historical facts. Back when Elmer Keith was hotrodding 44 Special, 38 Special and 45 Colt rounds, he figured out pretty quick which revolvers stayed together and which ones sent their cylinders to the sky. The strongest revolvers were single actions (modified Colts, at the time). A little later on, he and Bill Jordan and a few other gents decided the best weapon for police was a K frame 357 magnum. When police practiced and qualified with low pressure 38 Specials, and only used hot 357 loads while on duty, that wasn't an issue. When police departments mandated qualifying with duty ammo, it was found that the K frames shot loose faster then the other 357 guns in use at the time (Pythons, N frames, early Ruger Security Six's). That is basically where the L frame came from, and why it was invented. The other big claim for HD reliability came along in the 70's when silhouette shooting came along. Before that, not many people put a lot of rounds through 44 mags. When it was popular, it was not unusual to put a couple hundred rounds through your gun in one day. And as you wanted to knock heavy steel rams off their pedestals, maximum loads with heavy bullets were the norm. It soon became apparent that the S&W Model 29's would not hold up to this as well as the Ruger 44's (Super Blackhawks early on, Redhawks later). After the 29-3 and the 629-1 S&W had improved their lockworks, but I've seen Rugers eat loads that would destroy a Smith. Seen that too. Comparing FA revolvers to just about any other revolver is really apples to oranges, the tolerances and fitting are so much tighter, which is why they handle heavy loads with aplomb. FWIW - dan
 
Rentals, are also subject to popularity. How many gun newbs know the name Ruger, now how many know the name Smith and Wesson? I guarantee more people have heard of and would ask for the Smiths, so they get used more, which causes them to wear out quicker. Unless the range kept some nature of round count, which would be very difficult to do, just saying which gun lasts longer, can be misleading.

His comments were based on the fact that they no longer stock S&W revolvers for rental because they don't hold up compared to the Rugers they currently use. His words, not mine.

But, that being said, don't believe every word that comes out of a range officers mouth as it can often be misleading!!!
 
The S&W vs Ruger argument is based on a few historical facts. Back when Elmer Keith was hotrodding 44 Special, 38 Special and 45 Colt rounds, he figured out pretty quick which revolvers stayed together and which ones sent their cylinders to the sky. The strongest revolvers were single actions (modified Colts, at the time). A little later on, he and Bill Jordan and a few other gents decided the best weapon for police was a K frame 357 magnum. When police practiced and qualified with low pressure 38 Specials, and only used hot 357 loads while on duty, that wasn't an issue. When police departments mandated qualifying with duty ammo, it was found that the K frames shot loose faster then the other 357 guns in use at the time (Pythons, N frames, early Ruger Security Six's). That is basically where the L frame came from, and why it was invented. The other big claim for HD reliability came along in the 70's when silhouette shooting came along. Before that, not many people put a lot of rounds through 44 mags. When it was popular, it was not unusual to put a couple hundred rounds through your gun in one day. And as you wanted to knock heavy steel rams off their pedestals, maximum loads with heavy bullets were the norm. It soon became apparent that the S&W Model 29's would not hold up to this as well as the Ruger 44's (Super Blackhawks early on, Redhawks later). After the 29-3 and the 629-1 S&W had improved their lockworks, but I've seen Rugers eat loads that would destroy a Smith. Seen that too. Comparing FA revolvers to just about any other revolver is really apples to oranges, the tolerances and fitting are so much tighter, which is why they handle heavy loads with aplomb. FWIW - dan

Wasnt keiths favorite gun a Smith & Wesson 44mag with 4 inch barrel?
 
Nope, although there were a lot of pics of him taken with one, as S&W gave him two of the first off the line. His favorite revolver was a heavily modified single action known as his "number 5". - dan

Definately one of his favorites, but during my visit with him in the mid 70's, in discussion on the topic, he was fairly adamant that he considered his 4" S&W 29 as his #1 choice.

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A 4" 629 is an awesome gun it just can't stand up to a steady diet of top 44 mag loads that is why I own Ruger's and sold off my S&W's...

Unless I am shooting cowboy action competitions I only shoot top loads...

CC
 
A 4" 629 is an awesome gun it just can't stand up to a steady diet of top 44 mag loads that is why I own Ruger's and sold off my S&W's...

Unless I am shooting cowboy action competitions I only shoot top loads...

CC

My question with all of you talking about these top 44 mag loads is this. You cant hunt with the gun, all you can do is shoot paper or steel, so other then fun factor and the science behind it whats the point? The majority probably don't reload, so factory 44 mag loads can be handled fine by Smith & Wesson revolvers, cant they?
 
I've never had a 629 C.C. but over the years, I've poured a sizeable quantity of heavy loads through my 29 and never had a glich yet.

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I also have an old Ruger Flattop and both it and the 29 have had a good diet of heavy loads.

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Usually the loads were 22grs of 2400 and the Keith 250gr cast #429421 and a couple of cast 240gr cast. Some of the later year production 2400 'seemed' to be a little warmer and as a result I dropped the charge to 20grs. When my remaining supply of 'Hercules' 2400 runs out I'll likely change over to H110. Anyway, to date, the gun still seems to be tight and the accuracy doesn't seem to have dropped off, ;)even though with todays eye sight, the front sight doesn't appear to be quite as sharp as it once was. :(The start of a cataract problem I'll have to have addressed in a few years.
 
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