What's your definition of a good grouping size?
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Mine would be:
Shooting a semi-automatic handgun 1911 .45 on single action with both hands, standing, at 25 yards, slow fire rate, 8 round group:
FACTORY AMMO:
12 inch group = Minimum, centered on target
8 inch group = Good
6 inch group = Great
3 & smaller = Marksman
RELOADED AMMO:
10 inch group = Minimum, centered on target
6 inch group = Good
5 inch group = Great
2 & smaller = Marksman
Shooting a bolt action .308 Win cailibre rifle at 100 yards, front sand bagged, rear in should only, standard 3-9x40mm scope, no barrel heating, 4 round group:
FACTORY AMMO:
4 inch group = Minimum (no random fliers)
3 inch group = Good
2 inch group = Great
1 & smaller = Marksman
RELOADED AMMO:
2.0 inch group = Minimum
1.5 inch group = Good
1.0 inch group = Great
.75 & smaller = Marksman
I will tinker until I have a bolt action rifle's hand loads to do 2.2 times the diameter of the bullet at 100 yards: so a .308 will do 0.678 grouping or I try something else... or sell the gun.
And yes, it is possible. I have one that can put 5 rounds in the same hole.I can shoot on a good day standing unsupported 5" and under. But since I bought my PPC revolver and using a rest I can shoot it under 2". This is shooting at 25yds. Some of my pistols never shoot under 3" even with a good solid rest.
I had my best group on saturday out of my .40sw M&p .
First magazine @ 15 yards i manage to blow the center out of a visicolour target , @ 25 i managed to keep them in the second outer circle from center of target which is maybe 2-3" semi rapid .
Second magazine i let the firearm cool for a few seconds then fired all 10 as fast i could pull the trigger and kept them within 6.5 " .
was quite happy with that day ..
First magazine @ 15 yards i manage to blow the center out of a visicolour target , @ 25 i managed to keep them in the second outer circle from center of target which is maybe 2-3" semi rapid .
Second magazine i let the firearm cool for a few seconds then fired all 10 as fast i could pull the trigger and kept them within 6.5 " .
was quite happy with that day ..
Johnn Peterson
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Part of the of the theme or decor of the top of my reloading bench, under a sheet of plexiglas, is a collection of some of the better targets I have shot, with rifle and handgun. I think I've posted this in another thread recently but the following is one of my best with light 357 wadcutter loads in my 6" Python. This was shot at one of the local clubs, off hand Bullseye slow fire style, at 20 yds 10 shots and back when I was hot & heavy into paper punching
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Most of my handgun shooting for the last number of years is something a lot less formal and better classified as 'plinking', and off the bench load testing. Another picture I've posted previously was some bench/sand bag rested testing with the 500 S&W.
And to round things out a little, the off hand or two handed standing accuracy I seem to get today, often, would be best judged as being about the same group size as "a minute of a cows ass size, hit with a scoop shovel"
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Most of my handgun shooting for the last number of years is something a lot less formal and better classified as 'plinking', and off the bench load testing. Another picture I've posted previously was some bench/sand bag rested testing with the 500 S&W
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And to round things out a little, the off hand or two handed standing accuracy I seem to get today, often, would be best judged as being about the same group size as "a minute of a cows ass size, hit with a scoop shovel"
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You are comparing apples to oranges! You and your pro buddies are shooting with elevated heart rates, in an excited state and in a competitive nature. I'm shooting by myself, taking my time, relaxed, no one watching or judging me. I can place at least 6 rounds out of my clip into less than 2" easy before my arms get tired and I start to shake a bit. Put me into a situation like your in and I'd be lucky to stay within a 4-6" circle. There is no magic to shooting straight if time permits!
Yes there is. I'll trade eyes and arms with you for a while so you can see what it's like for "the rest of us"....
Old guy eyes and muscles that just don't seem to stay still like I ask them to.Even shooting at my own pace I'm very happy to keep a whole cylinder or magazine of shots within a 5 inch group size at 25 yards.
I'm a casual shooter and OK with most of my handguns at 10m - if I can get a mag all into a 2 inch square I'm happy. At 25-30 m I'm not so good. With my CZ75 Shadow or my S & W 686 shooting single action I can get a 4-5 inch group. With others i'm happy to hit paper.
I know what you mean, I cannot hit the broad side of a barn with my derringer, once had a Ruger heavy barrel 22 pistol and did quite well with that but nothing like this new Nighthawk GRP 45. Cannot use the laser past 20 yards though as it is too distracting. I find myself concentrating on the light to much and I start to shake. Be lucky to get 3 shots into 6" with the laser. Hope I get better with it, kind of embarrassing to see the laser light start to move around like a light show after a few seconds. Best to just locate, site, breath and squeeze. Some day I hope to challenge myself at the level of some of the guys on this site to really see what I'm made of, probably be quite disappointed. That kind of shooting under pressure takes some serious practice and expertise.
Ar180shooter
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It depends... But if I can put a whole magazine from an auto loader within the 8 ring on a silhouette target at 25 yards, I'm happy.
1.5 in at 50 yds unsupported ?? Jesus !! My Wilson CQB does that from a supported position. Had to go with the custom (& expensive) route to get that kind of accuracy !!
I'd pay my ticket to see someone do that ''1.5 in at 50 yds unsupported'' with a modern service type auto...as I dont believe a G17 (a popular choice in stock configuration) is capable of such accuracy with factory ammo...
Talking with a friend today about this posting we submitted the following:
From a cold start, you fire 5 rounds (your favorite handgun) in a 1.5 in group at 50 yds unsupported ?? Never seen that in 30 yrs of shooting...
Keep this posting alive fellows, it's very entertaining !!
Mk
I usually light matches at 50 yards very consistently with my Glock 17 so I would say it is possible for sure.
Generally I'm happy to keep all 10 rounds from my M&P 9mm on a 3x5 card at 15 yards, occaisionally, I'll pull out the good gun (Charlton PPC revolver) and shoot at 25 yards and hopefully do something like this:
I think it's more important to be able to use a handgun from contact to 25 yards and from slow to very fast (where accuracy can break down) than to concentrate on just producing tiny groups, but that's just me. The fliers in that picture are all me - the gun is amazing.
I think it's more important to be able to use a handgun from contact to 25 yards and from slow to very fast (where accuracy can break down) than to concentrate on just producing tiny groups, but that's just me. The fliers in that picture are all me - the gun is amazing.
RememberTheSomme
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I'd have to agree for myself as well. That's a good comparison.
When I could consistantly hit a 5 inch cover at 100yds with a Rifle from the shoulder, I'd do about 5" from a service 9mm @ 25 yds.
