Optics for SAN Sniper - NF versus Leupold

Maybe I dont know #### but isnt a "sniper" rifle that doesnt have a free floating rail kind of a oxy moron??

A bipod way out front sure seems like a recipe for POI changes.
 
Maybe I dont know s**t but isnt a "sniper" rifle that doesnt have a free floating rail kind of a oxy moron??

A bipod way out front sure seems like a recipe for POI changes.

I don't know... Does that mean that all of the WWII "sniper" rifles weren't really sniper rifles because they didn't have free floated barrels?
 
Does that mean that all of the WWII "sniper" rifles weren't really sniper rifles because they didn't have free floated barrels?
Times change, and standards evolve. The accuracy standards for modern "sniper" rifles are much higher than for WWII equivalents. Free-floating is one key thing to do to meet accuracy requirements.
 
Times change, and standards evolve. The accuracy standards for modern "sniper" rifles are much higher than for WWII equivalents. Free-floating is one key thing to do to meet accuracy requirements.

My point is that the SAN sniper is essentially a modified and scoped version of a standard service rifle, not a dedicated bottom-up designed sniping platform.
 
My point is that the SAN sniper is essentially a modified and scoped version of a standard service rifle, not a dedicated bottom-up designed sniping platform.

And seriously that equates to nothing but hype as its marketed as "more accurate". Older rifles with a wooden stock that beds the barrel are not going to flex the barrel like this very poorly designed "sniper" rifle.
 
And seriously that equates to nothing but hype as its marketed as "more accurate". Older rifles with a wooden stock that beds the barrel are not going to flex the barrel like this very poorly designed "sniper" rifle.

Considering the standard Classic Green rifles can shoot sub MOA, I imagine that with tuned handloads in the heavy barreled "sniper" version, it would be possible to shoot less than 1/2MOA. Hell, on a good day I can almost do that with my Classic Green.

As I mentioned, the Swiss Arms sniper isn't a ground up designed sniper rifle, but a modified service rifle. They essentially took an already very accurate platform and made it even more accurate.

I'll freely admit that the bi-pod design of the Swiss Arms rifles is probably my least favourite aspect of these rifles, and the lack of free floating handguards does somewhat limit its accuracy potential (which is already outstanding for a service rifle).
 
As I mentioned, the Swiss Arms sniper isn't a ground up designed sniper rifle, but a modified service rifle. They essentially took an already very accurate platform and made it even more accurate.
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Not sure they are more accurate, in fact sales of the sniper version have been dismal as it offers no marked improvement in performance over the cg. Still a very cool rifle.
 
WTF? How did my question about scopes turn into a debate about the relative merits of the rifle? I wanted one, had the money, and could care less about peoples' perceptions of its sniperness. Long barrel, highly adjustable grip and stock, and a trigger that you wouldn't believe. Fun as hell to shoot too. The regular classic green is awesome. But, believe me, this ain't the same gun.

Go start a "why the SAN sniper sucks" thread if you want, but don't highjack my thread and piss on my parade.
 
Uw. you asked a question it was answered. You purchased your scope and the thread served it's purpose, no need to be upset or possessive about a little thread, really. Chill a little,

Did you land a new sniper from tse or did you buy one that was in circulation,

These rifles are talked about so little, that exchanging info about the rifle on this thread wasn't too out of line.
 
Uw. you asked a question it was answered. You purchased your scope and the thread served it's purpose, no need to be upset or possessive about a little thread, really. Chill a little,

Did you land a new sniper from tse or did you buy one that was in circulation,

These rifles are talked about so little, that exchanging info about the rifle on this thread wasn't too out of line.

Sorry, was on edge. I got one of the original 11. I haven't heard of TSE bringing in new ones, have you?
 
I was in the tse last week, they had what appeared to be a new sniper in stock for 5100 and change. None of the three staff could answer if it was an original San or the kit version. I didn't take a close look. Since tse got the four season version and their sapr sample, thought it possible that they received some snipers as well. If so it's a helluva deal, and since uw is usually the first to get the San pieces thought UW might have scored a cheap original.

Edit, the staff were selling it as a New factory sniper, the label indicated it was a factory sniper rifle.
 
For sure. If one is after a sniper variant, the one they have is half the going rate (or there a bouts) of an 'as issued' model with (I believe) all the correct parts of the originals.
 
thanks Beltfed, in any case a real cool looking rifle

Does the TSE one have the external trigger shoe on the trigger as well as the same plunger as on the factory sniper? The trigger on the sniper is more than just the "target trigger" spring kits that are commonly available.
 
Does the TSE one have the external trigger shoe on the trigger as well as the same plunger as on the factory sniper? The trigger on the sniper is more than just the "target trigger" spring kits that are commonly available.

I honestly have no idea. I don't imagine it comes with the ubber cool and ultra rare factory case either, which you would have.

Your rifle in 308 would be the one and only rifle anyone would ever need. The perfect blend of looks craftsmanship and functionality.

Don't forget to try some hornady tap 55 grain or hornady match. All my sans have really performed well that ammo.
 
Does the TSE one have the external trigger shoe on the trigger as well as the same plunger as on the factory sniper? The trigger on the sniper is more than just the "target trigger" spring kits that are commonly available.

It does not have the trigger shoe; It is the stock trigger. The gun we have is not a FACTORY SG550-1.

Original SG550-1's were about $10-12k from factory, incl. sight.

Swiss Arms no longer makes many of the parts that constitute a SG550. The barrels are gone, but they'll make more if you order 10. Mirage shield is no longer in production, no plans for more. The only way we'll see more of the factory guns is if someone imports them (not as 550's, obviously).
 
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