Type 88 Sniper

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MustangFrank said:
It must be some scope, since it appears to be worth 2,000.00 . Aside from that, I just can't spend 30G on a Hyundai, and 3G on a Norinco is just wrong. It might be reasonably good quality but just wrong considdering the other options. That's all.
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The norc, sure amy be far fetched. The Hyundai? I'd have no problem dropping the 30G on a genesis coupe with the brembo package. Its on par, if not better, than the infinity g35 coupe or some other comparable, and I save money (seeing as the other options cost a ton more)

I'd rather drop 30G on a Hyundai, built by people that work on refining technology and perfecting their cars, rather than 30g on some American made P.O.S. built by a company focusing on stock options and union wages. (No offence to OTHER WELL MADE American/Canadian made products, but quite frankly, 90% of American made cars are crap. I have lots of experience with Euro, American and Asian cars. I place Americans 3rd, aside from the high end performance pieces, and maybe the work trucks. The average car produced here is just junk though. I mean, take the example of the Cavalier or 90s buicks etc!)

Anyway, you're allowed having your opinion, but personally I have nothing against the Hyundai.

The norinco on the other hand........well seeing as they usually make 400$ and less guns...I agree with you with the price being far fetched
 
Brand new Norinco SVD clone still goes for close to $3k in the US. I saw one a few months back in a US gun shops. I believe this gun will out shoot any Tavor or Swiss Arms at 600m and they all come without scope at $3k. The analogy of Hyundai Genesis is a good one.
 
emilio613 said:
I'd rather drop 30G on a Hyundai, built by people that work on refining technology and perfecting their cars, rather than 30g on some American made P.O.S. Anyway, you're allowed having your opinion, but personally I have nothing against the Hyundai.
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Once again, there are better options. But I think you missed the point. However, if buying overpriced products from a company that is rolling in those dirty profits makes you happy, then the Norinco is the perfect gun. Just like the Hyundai, they started making cheap knock off crap and have now refined their product to compete with some of the better brands, to go along with your analogy. I must be a snob though, as I would rather buy a Tavor or Swiss Arms for my 3G. To each his own, thats just my take. You are not wrong.
 
Good job bringing these in! The FRT is already in the system and shouldnt have the issues the type97 did. They are rare and im my opinion worth the money. Its a military semi-auto with a match grade barrel and its non-restricted to boot. if i wasnt money heavy into an ar15 i would give this try.

There is a firearms retailer in Vancouver that has one of these. I asked and it was not for sale, my guess is display only. I got to look at and put hands on the rifle though. Its no Swiss Arms in the overall finish department but less expensive and you get an optic as well as 3 mags. My only concern is spare/replacement parts availability.

As for the optic i believe it is variable magnification but i cant remember what power. There are bullet drop markings on the reticle but i dont believe that the graduations are set up for the bullet drop of .223/5.56 as it was originally chambered for 5.8x42. Please feel free to correct me if im wrong.

these are just my observations.I dont own one nor do i have any actual live fire trigger time with one of these.
 
tigercar said:
Brand new Norinco SVD clone still goes for close to $3k in the US. I saw one a few months back in a US gun shops. I believe this gun will out shoot any Tavor or Swiss Arms at 600m and they all come without scope at $3k. The analogy of Hyundai Genesis is a good one.
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would that be a USA made Norinco? Thought they weren't legal for import into the states
 
Unagi604 said:
would that be a USA made Norinco? Thought they weren't legal for import into the states
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Nah, those were imported before the "assault weapon" ban down south. Those type of weapon were no longer allow for import. That's why you can't import a Tavor to the US. These types of guns need to have US made parts.
 
tigercar said:
Brand new Norinco SVD clone still goes for close to $3k in the US. I saw one a few months back in a US gun shops. I believe this gun will out shoot any Tavor or Swiss Arms at 600m and they all come without scope at $3k. The analogy of Hyundai Genesis is a good one.
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This is interesting. Now we know how this gun will perform at 600 meters. Thanks for the range report. I look forward to more reports on how this gun will compare to the name brands.

The Hyundai Genesis offers performance close to the competition for less money. This Norinco is the same money as the top end guns so where is the value for the price? I'm still trying to keep an open mind but waiting for some real hands on proof. Not speculation.

I still couldn't show up at the Friday night cruise in with a Hyundai. Sorry.
 
MustangFrank said:
This is interesting. Now we know how this gun will perform at 600 meters. Thanks for the range report. I look forward to more reports on how this gun will compare to the name brands.

The Hyundai Genesis offers performance close to the competition for less money. This Norinco is the same money as the top end guns so where is the value for the price? I'm still trying to keep an open mind but waiting for some real hands on proof. Not speculation.

I still couldn't show up at the Friday night cruise in with a Hyundai. Sorry.
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I saw a video on the PLA 5.8mm version taking out a bottle size target at 600m. I don't think the Tavor and Swiss Arm can do that. The Type 88 was designed as a replacement for the SVD in PLA service. In a way we are comparing DMR with assault rifle here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzbdLNOC6E&feature=related

You can also do a search on range report on the Type 97 here, however, those two guns are different internally except for sharing bullpub layout.

There are market for Hyundai Genesis, G37 or front drive Audi A4. It just depends how you want to spend your money. I drive a $48k BMW that is almost 100hp short of the G37 and doesn't even has leather seat. That's why I make the comparison.
 
tigercar said:
I saw a video on the PLA 5.8mm version taking out a bottle size target at 600m. I don't think the Tavor and Swiss Arm can do that. The Type 88 was designed as a replacement for the SVD in PLA service. In a way we are comparing DMR with assault rifle here.
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So, let me get this straight. A different version of this rifle firing a different calliber bullet can hit a target at 600M on a Utube video so that all makes this version capable of the same feat ??? Have you ever watched Mythbusters try to replicate some of the videos from utube? Not the best source of information I would say. Also the difference in rifle and calliber make it a very weak argument. I like the Beemers though. Something about German engineering.
 
Being 5.56mm is also the reason it is compare to the others. You can believe that a run of the mill assult rifle can outshoot a dmr because they have better pedigree, I rather judge each product on its own merit.

German cars can sell for an atrocius price not because they are German but because of their engineering or should I say over engineering. But consumers like brand name, hence BMW has to spend 50 million pound just to buy the Rolls Royce brand just so they can sell $200k cars because the mega rich would still not pay $200k or $300k for a beemer.
 
I think this rifle is awesome and I applaud Tactical Imports for bringing them in. Everyone who is complaining about the price needs to give their head a shake. Yes it’s a Norinco but that doesn’t necessarily mean the quality is subpar. Companies in China are very capable of making high quality products but like anything of quality you have to pay. I would buy the Type 88 over a Swiss Arms. Yes I said it!. . .
 
My gut reaction to "$3000 Norinco" is that you're probably getting an $8000 gun cheap, but it would be nice to have facts and information rather then gut reaction and knee jerking.

If this is a gun the PLA relies on for national defense the quality is much likely better than cheap foreign knock offs they sell to over seas hobbyists for profit. Of course we might be getting the ones that failed quality tests while the PLA get the good stuff, and the gun had been modified for export for 5.56 maybe implying a different (poorer) manufacturing process.

Does anyone have any firing data or other hard numbers?

Edit/ps - I should disclose my bias, my wife served four years in PLA, though not front line.
 
tigercar said:
I saw a video on the PLA 5.8mm version taking out a bottle size target at 600m. I don't think the Tavor and Swiss Arm can do that. The Type 88 was designed as a replacement for the SVD in PLA service. In a way we are comparing DMR with assault rifle here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzbdLNOC6E&feature=related
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It seems the PRC has cleaned that up. Can't find any live images anywhere on Youtube. Nice, though not surprising.
 
Xiao Xiong said:
If this is a gun the PLA relies on for national defense the quality is much likely better than cheap foreign knock offs they sell to over seas hobbyists for profit. Of course we might be getting the ones that failed quality tests while the PLA get the good stuff, and the gun had been modified for export for 5.56 maybe implying a different (poorer) manufacturing process.
If past domestic class production is any indication of actual build quality; I wouldn't bet my life on it.
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Do you have any data to back up your opinion? I would like to see data on the accuracy of this gun, as well as qualified opinions as to its build quality. If possible is there any source of information about its field resiliency and reliability?

We need data.
 
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