Conquest vs Victory vs Diavari

stubblejumper said:
Victory and Diavari are describing the same scope. The Conquest isn't as bright, or as clear, but it is very good for the price.
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I own both a Victory Diavari and a Conquest. Each are excellent scopes but they're not of the same quality and definately not in the same price range. Fit & finish and low light tranmission capacity are phenomenal on the Diavari. The Conquest is a lower class of optics but it's a good scope for the price.

Victory Diavari 4-16x50 T/FL
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Conquest 4.5-14x44 AO MC
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I absolutely love my Conquest and will be buying one for one of my wife's rifles asap. Who wouldn't want a Diavari. I have looked through them and they are about as clear as a scope can possibly get; but the price ....
 
Are you considering buying one over the other? I know you are a zeiss fan. I am as well. I have 6 diavaris and 5 conquests. The difference is noticeable in both clarity and cost. With that said the conquests have no equal in value. IMHO. I won't hesitate to buy either the conquest or another diavari. GOOD IS GOOD! But I think you already know that.

My only gripe with zeiss is their choices in reticles. I love dot reticles and it isn't something common. In Canada it isn't an option to switch through the manufacturer either as they don't have a warranty center. I spoke with a gentleman from Gentec at huntfest in Saskatoon last year and asked him if there were any plans to add a facility in Canada that would handle reticle changes and any potential warranty issues. He laughed in my face. I wasn't happy. I explained to him where I was coming from and he then understood. I explained that Leupold has a depot that would accomodate a reticle change for a fee. As for warranty well I have never needed it so that is a moot point.

I do love my zeiss products but would like to see the company expand their range of options and maybe the abitlity to customize your scope. I may never live long enough to see this happen but I am still a consumer with an opinion.
 
I was just wondering how much of a difference that others have noticed in the Zeiss lines.Most likely I will continue with their product one model or another.

I did have a moment of weakness and purchased a Sightron, not at all a bad scope but the glass just isn't the same.

I would however like to see Zeiss move into the target/benchrest line.The scopes for hunting/varminting are wonderful.


Riflesmith said:
Are you considering buying one over the other? I know you are a zeiss fan. I am as well. I have 6 diavaris and 5 conquests. The difference is noticeable in both clarity and cost. With that said the conquests have no equal in value. IMHO. I won't hesitate to buy either the conquest or another diavari. GOOD IS GOOD! But I think you already know that.

My only gripe with zeiss is their choices in reticles. I love dot reticles and it isn't something common. In Canada it isn't an option to switch through the manufacturer either as they don't have a warranty center. I spoke with a gentleman from Gentec at huntfest in Saskatoon last year and asked him if there were any plans to add a facility in Canada that would handle reticle changes and any potential warranty issues. He laughed in my face. I wasn't happy. I explained to him where I was coming from and he then understood. I explained that Leupold has a depot that would accomodate a reticle change for a fee. As for warranty well I have never needed it so that is a moot point.

I do love my zeiss products but would like to see the company expand their range of options and maybe the abitlity to customize your scope. I may never live long enough to see this happen but I am still a consumer with an opinion.
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Kelly Timoffee said:
I was just wondering how much of a difference that others have noticed in the Zeiss lines.Most likely I will continue with their product one model or another.

I did have a moment of weakness and purchased a Sightron, not at all a bad scope but the glass just isn't the same.

I would however like to see Zeiss move into the target/benchrest line.The scopes for hunting/varminting are wonderful.
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The difference is noticeable and more than likely subjective to whoever is looking through the two lines. I do notice a sharpness and clarity difference. Is it enough to call the conquest unworthy - no to me. I have never felt handicapped when using one of my conquests. Keep in mind I don't do competitive shooting only hunting if that makes any difference.
 
I won't speak much of the Victory, since I don't own one. My Conquest isn't in the same league as my Diavari. Sometimes I get real sick of companies that built a name on excellence, prostituteing that name by branding some decidedly ordinary products all in the name of makeing a buck.
 
Dogleg said:
I won't speak much of the Victory, since I don't own one. My Conquest isn't in the same league as my Diavari. Sometimes I get real sick of companies that built a name on excellence, prostituteing that name by branding some decidedly ordinary products all in the name of makeing a buck.
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Agree. The Conquest was made for the North American market and consumers who generally won't pay much over the $500 range for optics but still want the name. The regular 3-9x40 Conquest with Z-plex is a great deal. However, once you get into different reticles and power ranges the price jumps dramatically and I don't think they're such a great buy anymore. I wish Zeiss would have kept the same lens quality and coatings as the Victory line, but in a lighter package at a lower cost, like Swarovski and Schmidt & Bender did.
Zeiss has a new line of scopes out, called Duralyt, but I don't think they're available in NA.

The Conquest line is still considered a "poor man's Zeiss" in Germany and is mostly avoided, sort of like the so called VW Porsche, the 914.
 
The victory and the diavari are nice but the conquest sucks. Not nearly as clear and has less eye relief. I would take a $500 Leupold over a $500 conquest any day.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Isn't the Hensoldt a tactical/professional orientated scope geared towards police and military type uses?They only go to 24X from what I have read but I am likely wrong on this.
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So what type of target/benchrest scope did you have in mind?
The popular high end ones used in competitions are ones like S&B's PM line, US Optics,Hensoldt, Nightforce, Leupold MK IV to name a few. For informal LR target shooting there are lots available in the Conquest line.
 
The victory and the diavari are nice but the conquest sucks. Not nearly as clear and has less eye relief.
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The eye relief is pretty much the same for both scope lines, although the 3-9x40 Conquest in particular has more eye relief than the Diavari line. I will take the $500 Conquest every time.
 
I find any little movement and the scope picture goes black and if you look to the edges when looking through the scope the image blurs which I never noticed with the victory, Diavari models. Personally I would never buy the conquest, but that's just me.
 
Well not something in the 6.5-20 range, something higher, I think if they had something to compete against the higher magnification competition they could sure take a decent chunk of that market.

8-32 or 10-50 power , you know, dedicated long range target type scopes.The Conquest line go only to 20X.

Really Don't think you need to spend $3500.00 on a Hendsoldt and it's durability for the bench.

But kinda going off my original topic here.


bearkilr said:
So what type of target/benchrest scope did you have in mind?
The popular high end ones used in competitions are ones like S&B's PM line, US Optics,Hensoldt, Nightforce, Leupold MK IV to name a few. For informal LR target shooting there are lots available in the Conquest line.
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Kelly Timoffee said:
Well not something in the 6.5-20 range, something higher, I think if they had something to compete against the higher magnification competition they could sure take a decent chunk of that market.

8-32 or 10-50 power , you know, dedicated long range target type scopes.The Conquest line go only to 20X.

Really Don't think you need to spend $3500.00 on a Hendsoldt and it's durability for the bench.

But kinda going off my original topic here.
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Not really off topic. You need the best glass/coatings, repeatability and durability at extreme ranges and high power settings. All that comes at a price and for similar reasons, the Victory line costs more than the Conquest.

Tasco makes target scopes with high magnification, but I doubt you could see anything at 30x through them. :D
 
Looks like the NF have the magnification ranges and many reticles available without going crazy on price ,but I have never had the oportunity to look through one.

bearkilr said:
Not really off topic. You need the best glass/coatings, repeatability and durability at extreme ranges and high power settings. All that comes at a price and for similar reasons, the Victory line costs more than the Conquest.

Tasco makes target scopes with high magnification, but I doubt you could see anything at 30x through them. :D
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bearkilr said:
Tasco makes target scopes with high magnification, but I doubt you could see anything at 30x through them. :D
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I once owned a Tasco Custom Shop target scope. I thought it was sooooo cool until I looked through a MK IV. The Tasco got sold real quick. I looked through a MK IV and a Conquest of identical magnifications side by side and to my astonishment, the Conquest was notably sharper. Not a scientific test I know but I now have a conquest on the rifle. Next purchase will probably be a Nightforce or S&B though. I am getting sucked in to the hype. Snob appeal I guess.
 
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