for one i would rather we spend thre-five times the real cost so they are made here as long as colt canada uses canadian labour and sources their supplies in Canada. As for the polymer guns the section about being solvent, POL and DEET resistant pretty well rules out a polymer gun.
New CF Service Pistol
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^^ yeah, when was the last time you bought deet or varsol in a metal can? And aren't steel guns finicky about water?
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DAO ? really ? why?
has to be bought from colt canada ......they aren't going bankrupt are they?
parts by bombardier? recycled lsvw's?
no matter what they by it will be the greatest thing and everyone will be an expert on it and it will be loathed in 5 years
has to be bought from colt canada ......they aren't going bankrupt are they?
parts by bombardier? recycled lsvw's?
no matter what they by it will be the greatest thing and everyone will be an expert on it and it will be loathed in 5 years
Some General somewhere needs to march down to JTF2 and ask them "what pistol should we buy the troops?". Then, using that simple survey, go out and spend the $6,000,000 for 10,000 pistols. Simple. Done. No additional wastage.
Likely this would mean 10,000 Glock 17. But they are simple, tough, and more than adaquate for the job. If it is some other pistol, so be it. To blazes with Colt Canada. That is just requirement to line Colt's pockets. Why?
The way we are doing things now, instead of $600 per unit, we will end up spending $3000 per unit. For what? The addtional $24,000,000 could be spent on training ammo up the whazoo, something the troops would actually appreciate. Building 10,000 pistols in Canada won't really do anything for employment figures, or national unity, or national security. If we are using 9x19 to be compliant with NATO, then any national security issues can also extend to our NATO allies. If a NATO country builds our pistols as well, so be it.
Likely this would mean 10,000 Glock 17. But they are simple, tough, and more than adaquate for the job. If it is some other pistol, so be it. To blazes with Colt Canada. That is just requirement to line Colt's pockets. Why?
The way we are doing things now, instead of $600 per unit, we will end up spending $3000 per unit. For what? The addtional $24,000,000 could be spent on training ammo up the whazoo, something the troops would actually appreciate. Building 10,000 pistols in Canada won't really do anything for employment figures, or national unity, or national security. If we are using 9x19 to be compliant with NATO, then any national security issues can also extend to our NATO allies. If a NATO country builds our pistols as well, so be it.
Yeah they would appreciate it, but part of the reason that the IHP lasted over 60 years is that CF pistols are not shot very often, but have had the living #### cleaned out of them.
Will the new GSP be any different?
Honestly in my experience they need a SA/DA pistol. The Browning HP being SA only was kind of a pain. I was rather worried that I was going to end up shooting my self or someone else by accident. When you need your pistol in Afghanistan you need it now. Stopping to rack your pistol takes too much time in a pinch, however a good pistol that has DA/SA would be ideal. Personally don't have a preference for pistols as long as it hits where it is supposed to, is light, and can work when it is dirty in less then ideal environments, can be beat up and banged around without accidentally firing. The rest is up to the weapons techs.
That may have been true at one time in their lives, however after Afghanistan they get shot a lot. They used to be considered an officer weapon, however that mentality has had an overhaul and most soldiers (drivers anyways) carry and qualify on pistols.
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Just for information, bill C-68 forbid any public or for that matter publicly funded agency from releasing any firearms from thier inventory to the public. All such firearms are to be destroyed or, if lucky exported! There is an awful lot of small print in this horrible bill that very few people have taken the time to read.
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Do this and you'll end up with the same thing that happened in the USA with the SOCOM pistol selection process.
A whole bunch of special forces "operators" all want to individually customize their own gear and pick their own special pistols. In the end none of them agree on a single gun so the entire program is scrapped and they continue to pick out whatever custom guns they like.
Several manufacturers made specific models of pistol just for the SOCOM program. None of them were selected. In the end there is no SOCOM pistol.
I doubt the guys in JTF2 really care what pistol everyone else is going to end up carrying. I'd bet they only give a crap about their own personal gear which is much cooler than everyone else's anyways.
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Glock 17 ? Doesnt JTF2 use the Sig P226 and P228 ? I'm pretty sure thats what they "want" to use as they can pretty much get whatever they like... Now polymer handguns for duty carry/defense purpose are fine because of weight on your hip all day long but for a soldier weapon , ie not defensive but offensive does it really matter? Go with whatevers cheapest and dependable. Then again that might very well be a Glock 17...
Yeah, that is the part I don't like, well, the part I hate the most
I like DA for the first round, way faster that messing around with the safety, but all of them DAO? Nope
Based on what we do and how we train in the CF, DA/SA is the way to go
The chances of Glock or S&W allowing Colt Industries to produce their pistols under license is remote in the extreme and for only 10,000 pistols. Sounds to me like somebody in Government has been hitting wacky tobacky. The only gun manufacturer I could think of that might would be PARA with their DAO LDA, a variant of the 1911. Colt has had some experience in producing a similar gun. Just saying.
Either way the taxpayer is going to take it in the ear given the cost of tooling up for such a relatively small order of guns. If I were in the Canadian Forces right now I wouldn't expect to be off to any new pistol training sessions anytime soon.
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Bob
Either way the taxpayer is going to take it in the ear given the cost of tooling up for such a relatively small order of guns. If I were in the Canadian Forces right now I wouldn't expect to be off to any new pistol training sessions anytime soon.
Take Care
Bob
The tender document 1-5 lists a desirable requirement for a conversion kit for Simunition FX Paint Ball. The Simunition web site lists the pistols for which there is a conversion kit. I’d guess the CF is limited to something listed here.
h ttp://simunition.com/en/products/conversion_kits/1-pistols
h ttp://simunition.com/en/products/conversion_kits/1-pistols
