HK MR308 mags?
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Proprietary mag incompatable with anything else. Sufficiently different that you wouldn't be able to modify other mags to fit in the magwell.
Wolverine gets them in stock and they are very pricey. Upwards of $100.00 unless the price has come down recently.
Wolverine gets them in stock and they are very pricey. Upwards of $100.00 unless the price has come down recently.
A lot of countries have adopted the little brother and the 417 does appear to be catching on.
CarbineOne
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I don't see how the popularity of the 416 will affect the 417.
It took a while for Magpul to release the LR20's, and the SR-25/DPMS mag pattern is used by at least half (more like 3/4) of the .308 AR's out there.
But I guess you could be assured that if Magpul did make a magazine for it, no one would buy the stock magazine. Then again, I'm sure the continued use of proprietary mags is just HK being HK (can you say 'PMAG'?).
I would disagree with that statement. If you wanted into the Semi .308 game your choice was the AR-10......far behind in second was DPMS.
Don't over estimate the popularity of the SR-25 based on the clamour created by internet fanboys. How many are out there compared to the closets/basements full of AR-10s.
With the increased Military use of the Sr-25 by the Military (hence more fanboys) Magpul created the LR308 to suck in all that Government contract money.
If (when) the HK 417 becomes a staple in the arsenal of Militaries, Magpul or someone will be there offering a lower cost alternative.
-fanboy comment was not directed at you-
Just like to add in here that the PMAG came after the 416, also the PMAG does not meet the criteria that most Nato military's if not all stipulated, It is not a Stanag style magazine. The Pmag was made to fill the wigle room in most AR lower, the magazine housing was not tight enough and the pmag filling that extra wiggle room keeps sand and dirt out of the weapon.
HK made a proprietor magazine to deal with the perceived outdated design and magazine of the AR-10, the 417 has a place and has been been fielded successfully in operations. Apparently was used by the SAS, at least there early versions were ..Which apparently LMT won the contract.
CarbineOne
Regular
Yeah I forgot to mention *in active duty.
Leiber; Yeah, the 416 came before the PMAG, but I don't see why the IAR (mild direction change) contract could not have stipulated that it must be 100% compatible with both the PMAG's and the USGI AL's currently in system. It's a large enough contract, and opening the mag well does not reduce functionality or effectiveness.
Always slightly smaller, slightly larger, slightly incompatible (MR223...).
Also interesting, the UK MoD SS contract. LMT came, MoD saw, MWS conquered. Blew away both submissions from Armalite and HK... and the MoD did not even know who Lewis Machine & Tool was before the tender.
From what I read:
"The rifles were fired for accuracy, functionality and handling at 100 meter intervals out to 800 meters. It was particularly important that the rifle selected could obtain repeated hits within the shoulders of a silhouette target at those ranges without the help of a boutique cartridge. Instead of match ammunition, each candidate was tested with standard Radway 149 grain NATO ball through the entire process"
Also, the company was:
"going up against two well-known contract champions. FNH submitted the SCAR-17, and HK sent the 417".
LMT was chosen.
In addition to the first statement:
"Among those needs clearly indicated by British troops in Afghanistan:
- Compact length
- Can be comfortably patrolled with
- Can be quickly initiated
- Easily operated and mainained
- Chambered for 7.62 NATO"
It appears that both HK and FN's entries can fit satisfy all the above points. It leads one to believe that FN and HK's entries couldn't satisfy the accuracy requirement (my assumption - you can draw your own).
I've got an LMT 308MWS in a similar (but not exact) configuration of LMT's submission to the testing and 12 different brands of ammo I will be testing and reviewing. Stay tuned.
Note: Quotes were taken from "Crowned: L129A1 by Eric R. Poole in Book of the AR-15, 2011
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CarbineOne
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Accuracy. The 16" SS barrel LMT used trumped them both. Would have been interesting had LaRue submitted their OBR.
CarbineOne
Regular
Ask LEI Ltd. yourself (assuming you are referring to my post). They were the ones who released the info.
But as for experience, I own(ed, sold/transferring) a LMT 308MWS w/ 16" CL.
LMT beat out an earlier version of the 417, they did not send a rifle specifically to that test requirement, apparently they rushed out the door some 417's that were in stock and older versions that the newer versions were superior too in performance. Not saying LMT battle rifle is any lesser of a quality firearm..
A lot of rumor mixed with opinion on this topic, from my source in Germany it was very interesting, but I can't remember all the specifics from what i was told, this was going back a while.
A lot of rumor mixed with opinion on this topic, from my source in Germany it was very interesting, but I can't remember all the specifics from what i was told, this was going back a while.
I would think that any 417 would be built to the requirement. If it is indeed true that they rushed some old 417s, they are idiots and somebody should be fired. I personally don't buy that. It's not like the DoD showed up and said, "you have 5 minutes to get us a sample rifle". I'd expect excuses like that from Robinson Arms, not HK. I think that HK is making up excuses to save face.
no apparently from what i remember it had something to do with what was left in stock and time they were given/notified of the trial. Also it had to do with last minute changes of the requirements given to HK, also LMT contracts was apparently cheaper , but that is a rumor....
There were also trials in Germany and apparently they were more impressed with specs of the MR308 - the full-auto than the current configs of the current 417...This i cannot confirm
This thread has peaked my interest in the LMT .308MWS.
Was looking into a .308 AR down the road and was eying up a SR-25 but they seem to be rare up here and pricey. I kinda like what Im reading about the LMT option, and the barrel swap feature looks quite nice.
Anyone have any info on performance with the 20" stainles barrel?
Was looking into a .308 AR down the road and was eying up a SR-25 but they seem to be rare up here and pricey. I kinda like what Im reading about the LMT option, and the barrel swap feature looks quite nice.
Anyone have any info on performance with the 20" stainles barrel?
