Muzzle Brake on 22LR????
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The true purpose of a brake on a 22 is because of the poorly molded bullet bases. They are prone to irregular shapes and irregular gas escape at the exit, stabilizing each bullet differently - different POI on target.
A brake minimizes the gas at the base of the bullet on exit thus making the bullet more consistantly stable, thus more accurate.
The perceived purpose of a 22 brake is for wannabe commandos with 22's.
The true purpose of a brake on a 22 is because of the poorly molded bullet bases. They are prone to irregular shapes and irregular gas escape at the exit, stabilizing each bullet differently - different POI on target.
A brake minimizes the gas at the base of the bullet on exit thus making the bullet more consistantly stable, thus more accurate.
The perceived purpose of a 22 brake is for wannabe commandos with 22's.
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About as useful as the magazine cutoff on a SMLE
If the recoil on a 10/22 was any lighter it wouldn't cycle the action.
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The true purpose of a brake on a 22 is because of the poorly molded bullet bases. They are prone to irregular shapes and irregular gas escape at the exit, stabilizing each bullet differently - different POI on target.
A brake minimizes the gas at the base of the bullet on exit thus making the bullet more consistantly stable, thus more accurate.
The perceived purpose of a 22 brake is for wannabe commandos with 22's.
I'm sorry, but did you just make that up? Because that sounds absurd! Why then do we not see muzzle breaks on anschutz, Cooper, volquartzen or suhl rifles? rather we see them only on mossberg plinksters and tactical .22's?
It's a crazy concept, and what you are saying is taken care of by a good crown. Once the bullet has left the bore any gases escaping at an angle away from the bullet are heading "away" from the bullet regardless of whether there is a muzzle break or not. Therefore how could those gasses affect the bullet at all to begin with?
Hey...it really reduced my almost zero recoil to almost zero!
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And that looks like a birdcage flash suppressor, not a muzzle brake. However equally as useful. I must say it does look cool though!
Your inexperience shows -
I tried it as a result of tests by the Ohio Bench Rest Association using .22 rail guns.
And yes the research proved valid as I tested and noticed a substantial improvement in accuracy with the brake.
Contact Volquartsen as they manufacture brakes for bench rest .22 rifles for further facts.
If you believe your theory - test it -
Try center fire bullets with a significantly different bases (different little nicks, gouges etc. just like the moulded bases of .22's) then compare to similar bases.
You will see.
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I tried it as a result of tests by the Ohio Bench Rest Association using .22 rail guns.
And yes the research proved valid as I tested and noticed a substantial improvement in accuracy with the brake.
Contact Volquartsen as they manufacture brakes for bench rest .22 rifles for further facts.
If you believe your theory - test it -
Try center fire bullets with a significantly different bases (different little nicks, gouges etc. just like the moulded bases of .22's) then compare to similar bases.
You will see.
Interesting... I hear ya (says the deaf guy), After researching it a bit I must pull my foot out of my mouth. I don't think I'll ever use one because honestly I don't care to improve on my groups by margins of 1/32" but there are those who do.
But I found references to the use of them "stripping" the surrounding swirling gasses away from the bullet in the first foot or so of flight, making for a less turbulent departure from the barrel. My apologies, you were right. But from what I could find the accuracy improvements are rather minute.
...still, they look so ridiculous I don't think it's worth the trade off in very, very marginal accuracy gains.
But I found references to the use of them "stripping" the surrounding swirling gasses away from the bullet in the first foot or so of flight, making for a less turbulent departure from the barrel. My apologies, you were right. But from what I could find the accuracy improvements are rather minute.
...still, they look so ridiculous I don't think it's worth the trade off in very, very marginal accuracy gains.
I tried it as a result of tests by the Ohio Bench Rest Association using .22 rail guns.
And yes the research proved valid as I tested and noticed a substantial improvement in accuracy with the brake.
Contact Volquartsen as they manufacture brakes for bench rest .22 rifles for further facts.
If you believe your theory - test it -
Try center fire bullets with a significantly different bases (different little nicks, gouges etc. just like the moulded bases of .22's) then compare to similar bases.
You will see.
"aha! I see" said the blind man - but he couldnt really see at all.
yep
I expected marginal accuracy gains also - but the gains were significant enought to justify it for me - money wise.
EXPENSIVE 22 target ammo is different from the cheaper lines because new dies are used for the premium stuff and as the dies wear the ammo becomes the next grade down and so on -
As the dies and molds wear the bullets become more irregular and less accurate.
The brakes allowed me to compete with less expensive ammo.
I expected marginal accuracy gains also - but the gains were significant enought to justify it for me - money wise.
EXPENSIVE 22 target ammo is different from the cheaper lines because new dies are used for the premium stuff and as the dies wear the ammo becomes the next grade down and so on -
As the dies and molds wear the bullets become more irregular and less accurate.
The brakes allowed me to compete with less expensive ammo.
It might be a fun(ny) project to put one on one of my old Cooey's, also paint the stock with textured bedliner, put a 4-16x50 scope on it with a bipod and limbsaver recoil pad and oversize bolt handle... Call it a tacticooey
That looks pretty cool John, I may look into one just because it look better than the stock front site that I don't even use.[/IMG]
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I wouldn't use a conventional brake on a 22lr, ever. You risk much greater exposure to lead through deflection of particulate matter by the brake back at the shooter. I've said this before and got raked over the coals for it....meh.
I did do some testing on a Dlask re-worked Levang comp last summer and had very positive results on accuracy. The Levang forces gases out the front of the brake and strips gasses away from the bullet to help minimize any negative effects on accuracy. Also, it doesn't spit poisonous #### back at you.
I did do some testing on a Dlask re-worked Levang comp last summer and had very positive results on accuracy. The Levang forces gases out the front of the brake and strips gasses away from the bullet to help minimize any negative effects on accuracy. Also, it doesn't spit poisonous #### back at you.
Interesting !
Thats why I like this site -
Ideas from others experiences that I have not had.
If you look at the Volquartsen brake it sends the gas circumferentially sideways , not back at the shooter. Lead blow back towards the shooter should only occur if a strong wind was in his face.
That brakes problem is the large amount of very difficult to remove lead that accumulates around the inside of the exit hole in an uneven blob.
The unconcentric nature of the blob is not condusive to accuracy.
I am now on a quest to examine the interior structure of the Levang comp!
Do you know anywhere I can see a cutaway view ?
Thats why I like this site -
Ideas from others experiences that I have not had.
If you look at the Volquartsen brake it sends the gas circumferentially sideways , not back at the shooter. Lead blow back towards the shooter should only occur if a strong wind was in his face.
That brakes problem is the large amount of very difficult to remove lead that accumulates around the inside of the exit hole in an uneven blob.
The unconcentric nature of the blob is not condusive to accuracy.
I am now on a quest to examine the interior structure of the Levang comp!
Do you know anywhere I can see a cutaway view ?
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