Hunting with a Tavor

Good job on the deer! Nothing wrong with .223 for deer. The heavier .223 rounds give you a little more margin for error though. I am not a bullpup guy, but I think if a person has a black/red rifle, you have a moral obligation to hunt with it with the hopes some lieberal granola eating tree hugger will see you and faint.
 
I've been reading a bit and the guys in the US have been having tremendous success with .223 for deer when using the Barnes TSX. Some use it out to 300 yards with no issues. I'd love to use mine for deer, but AB regs say I can't, so tomorrow I'm heading out with Rfb with some 155 AMAXs
 
"Not to mention, anyone who says .223 isn't big enough for deer obviously hasn't used it, and if they have they didn't use it properly."

"I shot the buck at about 80 m away broadside in the right lung with a 45gr Winchester Silvertip Varmint round."

Never thought I'd read two sentences like this in the same post. While I can agree with your first statement, the second is the exact reason some provinces don't let hunters use .223 for deer. I would call using 45 gr varmint bullets on deer unethical, but hey, that's just my opinion. Congrats on your successful hunt
 
Sakonut said:
"Not to mention, anyone who says .223 isn't big enough for deer obviously hasn't used it, and if they have they didn't use it properly."

"I shot the buck at about 80 m away broadside in the right lung with a 45gr Winchester Silvertip Varmint round."

Never thought I'd read two sentences like this in the same post. While I can agree with your first statement, the second is the exact reason some provinces don't let hunters use .223 for deer. I would call using 45 gr varmint bullets on deer unethical, but hey, that's just my opinion. Congrats on your successful hunt
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Care to elaborate?
 
Congratulations.

I hope you dragged the carcass past the guy who took up your regular stand and thanked him for spooking out your game.

This thread is useless, without the right spices for venison.
 
Sakonut said:
"Not to mention, anyone who says .223 isn't big enough for deer obviously hasn't used it, and if they have they didn't use it properly."

"I shot the buck at about 80 m away broadside in the right lung with a 45gr Winchester Silvertip Varmint round."

Never thought I'd read two sentences like this in the same post. While I can agree with your first statement, the second is the exact reason some provinces don't let hunters use .223 for deer. I would call using 45 gr varmint bullets on deer unethical, but hey, that's just my opinion. Congrats on your successful hunt
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As I stated in my original post. The 45 gr bullet was entirely devestating on the vital organs. The deer died very quickly. I kid you not that the right lung was literally nothing more than pudding. It liquefied. Considering that amount of damage, I suspect that the heart went into cardiac arrest from the shock wave/kinetic energy trasnfer. Were I to do it again, I'd probably only bump up to a 55 gr at the maximum. Anymore and I'd be affraid of doing too much damage, or spoiling meat. Shot placement is the key. Frankly, when you're stand hunting, there's very few excuses for not putting a bullet into the vitals.

lawn gnome said:
Congratulations.

I hope you dragged the carcass past the guy who took up your regular stand and thanked him for spooking out your game.

This thread is useless, without the right spices for venison.
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Actually, the other guy was real good about everything. He helped me field dress the deer, then brought it up to the house with his loader tractor. I find it usually pays off better by not being a #### to people, rather than the other way around.
 
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Congrats on the deer. I havent the chance to use my 223 on deer yet but I did get this brown(black) bear with my Mini 14(bought off a gunnut!). To back you up, yes it works. I used 55 gr Win.Supreme Bal.Tips. Shot placement is key. I spotted him about 1km away and snuck up on him. At 150 yrds, I shot this guy broadside. Went straight through the heart and I found my bullet, nicely mushroomed(surprisingly) under neath the skin on the far side. It pierced through the ribs, destroyed the heart, and through the far ribs and under the skin.

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here is the damage to the heart using the 55gr BST.

Sorry for the hijack!!:D
 
7.62Nato said:
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Congrats on the deer. I havent the chance to use my 223 on deer yet but I did get this brown(black) bear with my Mini 14(bought off a gunnut!). To back you up, yes it works. I used 55 gr Win.Supreme Bal.Tips. Shot placement is key. I spotted him about 1km away and snuck up on him. At 150 yrds, I shot this guy broadside. Went straight through the heart and I found my bullet, nicely mushroomed(surprisingly) under neath the skin on the far side. It pierced through the ribs, destroyed the heart, and through the far ribs and under the skin.



Sorry for the hijack!!:D
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LOL nice kill, you put a lot of faith in your accuracy.
 
Shep546 said:
LOL nice kill, you put a lot of faith in your accuracy.
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150 yards is not a long shot espiceally seeing he has a scope on it i think if someone cant hit the vitals on a deer sized animal at a hundred yards free hand they should not be hunting,its all about shot placement,alot of people tend to relly on massive energy to knock stuff down,think about it 50 yeaars ago they were using 32-20 can and the like for big game and nobody starved but i bet they were better shooters back then
 
Not trying to piss in your cornflakes cancer, you made it clear you waited for a broadside shot at close range but I'm sure you agree the cartridge/bullet combo would be a lot less forgiving than some others...say if the range were a little further, and ones shot placement slightly off. That bullet into a shoulder shot would fail in an epic fashion, where others would penetrate through and result in a dead deer. I know .223 for deer has been argued to death in various threads, so I will leave yours alone now haha

Again, congrats on your successful hunt
 
Sakonut said:
Not trying to piss in your cornflakes cancer, you made it clear you waited for a broadside shot at close range but I'm sure you agree the cartridge/bullet combo would be a lot less forgiving than some others...say if the range were a little further, and ones shot placement slightly off. That bullet into a shoulder shot would fail in an epic fashion, where others would penetrate through and result in a dead deer. I know .223 for deer has been argued to death in various threads, so I will leave yours alone now haha

Again, congrats on your successful hunt
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Well, yeah, if you were to shoot a larger bullet, it may pass clean through, but I think the biggest factor in favour of the .223 cartridge is that the bullets stay in the animal. Or, as has been said over and over, the energy of the bullet in flight is fully transferred to the animal. With a larger bullet, only a fraction of the energy is transferred. Sure, you may smash through bones, but exactly how much hydrostatic shock is actually transferred with a bullet that passes clean through? IMHO Bigger isn't always better.
 
I enjoyed you're story cancer, well done. Though I would be inclined to use at least 55gr soft points of stoutish construction for deer. I'm using 55gr Hornady interlocks in my AR at the moment. I'm keen to see what they do to deer
 
Has anyone tried to do a trigger job to increase hunting accuracy? I know we all take the extra spring off, but anyone gone any further to reduce the pull or make a little more crisp?
 
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