It's here: NEA-15 unboxing photos

people who own guns but do not shoot very much.

Fine, I have shot over 25k rounds of pistol this year, approx 4k of shotgun and around 2k of rifle thru various firearms, I have taken 2 pistol courses and a Shotgun course thru a profesional trainer this year alone, with various courses in other years.... I also participate in the shooting sports.

and I still hate the way the "look" of the handguard has when attached.... frankly with all the various free float tubes out there all of thier "R&D" has been done for them..... why chose an "ugly" way to attach it, why reinvent the wheel.
 
Aren't they making a monolithic upper as well?
If I remember correctly that will mean the handguard and the rest of the upper will be one solid piece?
I look forward to seeing that.
 
The most simple way I can put it.

Everyone here are talking about the rifle.
He is talking about the people talking about the rifle.

A is fine, B is being a ####.

By that reasoning you're being a #### as well, because you're talking about the person that's talking about the people talking about the rifle ..........

;) :D

Just throwing it out there. :p

Flame suit engage! :stirthepot2:
 
Man! Did this thread ever take a nasty turn!

I don't have mine yet, so I won't speculate, but will provide a total non-biased review of it when it comes. I chose the NEA as my first AR because it seemed like what your got for the difference in price between it and the Norc was a good value.

Accuracy and function will win me over, and I'll let you know how it works out.

Lighten up a bit, guys!:eek:
 
No don't lighten up, keep fighting I like watching adults getting upset then bickering over what people say on the internet. Sorry if that makes me a douch or an ####### but I don't have cable.
 
Guys.. as usual there's a lot of the same people having the same arguments. Those that have been customers of ours for a long time and know what to expect, and others that just ride us for sh!ts and giggles at every chance. Neither do anything for the rest of people that are just trying to tune in to see what the OP has to say. That being said, we still appreciate those that are willing to give us the benefit of the doubt before going off..

The fact is that there was enough comment about the clamping method that we scrapped (yes, scrapped & destroyed) 200 handguards and changed it up. Part of the reason that we had a delay in production. We ate it because we didn't want to spend every day going forward seeing these kinds of arguments and having to repeatedly defending our decisions. Unfortunately a dozen of these first versions still made it out before the change. To that end, we'll be letting our customers know that have one of these 12 and they wish to swap them out they can do so at no cost.

We ran some tests and reduced the clamp cut length by almost half. This provides a cleaner "look" while maintaining sufficient clamping force. This also addresses the issue of the minor deflection at the top-rear of the handguard. To address the concern with the screws used to attach the rail, please understand that our rails have steel Helicoils installed to ensure that they can take use and abuse. Also understand that our rails with the two lateral clamps provide 1/2 the stress to the attachment devices than the models with one clamp.

While these are cosmetic changes, we decided to make them to put people at ease.


Why did we decide to clamp from the sides?? Well there were a few reasons for this. Primarily, everyone and their dog uses the same bottom clamp. It's cheap and easy to do. We weren't interested in copying others designs, we researched and tested to look for the most optimum attaching method within our specifications. More importantly; it had to attach to a standard barrel nut and not download the cost of a custom attachment device to the customer because of an engineering workaround. Lets try and use what you already have.

In order to attach to a standard barrel nut you require a little more 'clamp' to overcome the outer ridge when installing and securing. Lateral clamps provide twice the grip and security while ensuring that the handguards require no special mounting tools or accessories and can be attached to the greatest variety of existing receivers in use. We don't want to only provide a product that fits OUR rifle.. but everyone elses as well.

Our handguards are designed as utilitarian pieces. They're lightweight and effective. They were designed with the input of our existing clients as well as many law enforcement and military personnel in several countries. we wanted to provide a product that got the job done and was versatile enough meet mission-specific objectives, while feeling just as at home at the range. It does not have the space to attach 3ft of rail covers.. some people don't like that. It does however have the room to attach any required accessories.

While we respect other peoples tastes, I hope they respect ours. If everyone liked the same thing there'd be only one RAS system out there.. this is not the case. Ours met the goals and needs of our company and those of our clients. We are happy with the outcome, and we know that once you wrap your hands around one of our rifles you will as well.
 
Thank you for explaining NEA's reasoning. This was not an issue for me but I can see how others would have one. Just want to say that I for one will be a future NEA owner. Had enough for a Norinco but could not bring myself to support them. Caught wind of NEA and did some reading and Youtube viewing and I am sold. It is Canadian!!

Although I cannot comment on the quality/shootability, I applaud NEA's entry into this domain. Once Christmas presents are bought, all funds will be going towards a 14.5" with Strikefire optic package that SFRC has.

Thanks again NEA.
 
Guys.. as usual there's a lot of the same people having the same arguments. Those that have been customers of ours for a long time and know what to expect, and others that just ride us for sh!ts and giggles at every chance. Neither do anything for the rest of people that are just trying to tune in to see what the OP has to say. That being said, we still appreciate those that are willing to give us the benefit of the doubt before going off..

The fact is that there was enough comment about the clamping method that we scrapped (yes, scrapped & destroyed) 200 handguards and changed it up. Part of the reason that we had a delay in production. We ate it because we didn't want to spend every day going forward seeing these kinds of arguments and having to repeatedly defending our decisions. Unfortunately a dozen of these first versions still made it out before the change. To that end, we'll be letting our customers know that have one of these 12 and they wish to swap them out they can do so at no cost.

We ran some tests and reduced the clamp cut length by almost half. This provides a cleaner "look" while maintaining sufficient clamping force. This also addresses the issue of the minor deflection at the top-rear of the handguard. To address the concern with the screws used to attach the rail, please understand that our rails have steel Helicoils installed to ensure that they can take use and abuse. Also understand that our rails with the two lateral clamps provide 1/2 the stress to the attachment devices than the models with one clamp.

While these are cosmetic changes, we decided to make them to put people at ease.


Why did we decide to clamp from the sides?? Well there were a few reasons for this. Primarily, everyone and their dog uses the same bottom clamp. It's cheap and easy to do. We weren't interested in copying others designs, we researched and tested to look for the most optimum attaching method within our specifications. More importantly; it had to attach to a standard barrel nut and not download the cost of a custom attachment device to the customer because of an engineering workaround. Lets try and use what you already have.

In order to attach to a standard barrel nut you require a little more 'clamp' to overcome the outer ridge when installing and securing. Lateral clamps provide twice the grip and security while ensuring that the handguards require no special mounting tools or accessories and can be attached to the greatest variety of existing receivers in use. We don't want to only provide a product that fits OUR rifle.. but everyone elses as well.

Our handguards are designed as utilitarian pieces. They're lightweight and effective. They were designed with the input of our existing clients as well as many law enforcement and military personnel in several countries. we wanted to provide a product that got the job done and was versatile enough meet mission-specific objectives, while feeling just as at home at the range. It does not have the space to attach 3ft of rail covers.. some people don't like that. It does however have the room to attach any required accessories.

While we respect other peoples tastes, I hope they respect ours. If everyone liked the same thing there'd be only one RAS system out there.. this is not the case. Ours met the goals and needs of our company and those of our clients. We are happy with the outcome, and we know that once you wrap your hands around one of our rifles you will as well.

That must have been a wrench to scrap those handguards, but I think in the long run you'll be glad you did for exactly the reasons you describe.
 
That must have been a wrench to scrap those handguards, but I think in the long run you'll be glad you did for exactly the reasons you describe.

Definitely.

Criticism is worthless if not productive. Even if it's just an aesthetic issue, the first thing most people notice about a car is the colour, eh?
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't give a s**t if it doesn't meet somebody's personal aesthetic standards, just as long as the damn thing works as intended.

I think NEA is doing pretty good for having put together an AR in Canada at the prices they have. I'm planning on getting at least one to see how it does and if I like, maybe more. And yes, I use the firearms I purchase. I have tossed every rifle I own down range at least once to prove a point to those who think that fifty rounds from a bench rest with thier AR makes them a commando.

Now as for the OP...

Hey man, thanks for your review, you filled in quite a lot of blanks for me in regards to the hows and whys and hope to see future reports from you on your rifle.

Now a few questions for you.

When you were zeroing the sights, did you find that there was any trouble with the slight difference in height between the reciever rail and the forend rail? I didn't even notice any difference, but apparently its there. Also, which type of screwdriver/fastener head did you have to use to adjust the forend?

Cheers.
 
As there have been some complaints and speculation on my relationship with NEA, I will lay it all on the line.

A couple years ago I loaned NEA my Tavor so they could develop some product. They were unable to get a Tavor as the second shipment had not come into the country. In return, NEA gave me a set of Troy Battle Sights. We bounce ideas off each other through e-mail from time to time as well. That is the extent of my relationship with NEA. I have never received any money, services, or products from NEA other than that set of Troy sights. In fact, that prick made me pay full price for a 12" 10/22 barrel, even after everything I've done!

Why am I so bitter? I am a machinist and know how expensive R&D and manufacturing can be. I've also built stuff for the firearms industry and went through some of these same issues. It drives me up the wall to see people making ridiculous complaints about purely cosmetic issues that hurt your product. It pisses me off to see a Canadian company making an amazing Canadian product and getting nothing but grief and complaining. Canadian gun owners, on average, are retarded and their complaints reflect that. Now NEA just lost 200 hand guards worth of manufacturing time and money to solve a problem that wasn't even there. We ##### and moan that we need more Canadian gun companies, then we do our best to make their life a living hell. Gun owners are our own worst enemy.

I've shot and played with the NEA AR15. I had a chance to take them apart and give them a once over. Are they the best AR15 out there? Nope. However, they cost under $1000!! They are the best AR15 in that price range.

Many of my posts are a bit over the top. Some of the s**t you people say just drives me up the wall.
 
Now a few questions for you.

When you were zeroing the sights, did you find that there was any trouble with the slight difference in height between the reciever rail and the forend rail? I didn't even notice any difference, but apparently its there. Also, which type of screwdriver/fastener head did you have to use to adjust the forend?

Cheers.

There will always be a certain difference between two parts. You can't machine two things to the exact same dimensions. It's just not physically possible.

Even with a brand new CNC mill, using a transition fit, rigorous QC and then hand-selecting parts so they match up best, there will always be a slight difference.

Got a pair of vernier calipers on hand? You might want to check the dimensions of the mount as well.
 
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