Ok.. lets give NEA's new rifle the benefit of the doubt. The rifles are starting to get out there and time will tell if there are going to be concerns with their rail system. It will not take long if there is going to be any problems surface it will all be sight zeroing issues and looseness. I am firm believer never buy the first model year and will continue to hold onto my $1000.00 bill until some honest unsolicited range reports come in.
It's here: NEA-15 unboxing photos
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Just an observation, we are in the 50-something-ith model year for the AR
I know what you meant, but still, there's very little to go wrong apart from function issues due to dimensions being out of spec. I assume NEA's product testing would have highlighted any of those issues Just an observation, we are in the 50-something-ith model year for the AR
You are right "BUT" this is NEA's First model your. All the spec's of the AR have been around for years not much to go wrong "BUT" this NEA's is first kick at the cat for their rail for their AR. Time will tell because I am in the market and am hoping for the best.
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tell dlask that about thier tight magwells and tight Lower Reciever holes... as well as out of spec rails, sure NEA has stepped to the plate and "hopefully" everything is going to be ok, but don't say just because it is canadian it is going to be superior.
no offence at nea, I applaud you for being concerned about your feedback and changing an insignifigant part to make the rifle "look" better... any pictures of the clamping system on the new handgaurds ?
right now your biggest compeition is Norinco at $699....
Okay, slow down there sparky. You need to carefully re-read the question instead of going off the deep end, m'kay?
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I would disagree.. the core15 is $1099 for a bone stock m4gery,.... m4 handguards and standard 6 POS carbine stock, to get a comparible rifle as NEA's you would have to upgrade to the CORE15 M4 TAC Rifle which is $1499.
by comparision you take a norinco ar15, add a Daniel Defense Light Rail 7.0 for $332 from ONESHOTTACTICAL and you have a similar comaprison within $32.... both have a2 grips and m4 6 POS stock.... the norinco also has an ambi safety and a chrome bore.
just my opinion, but you have to make the comparison since BOTH rifles are being marketed in the "budget" ar15 areana.
frankly the buttstock, pistolgrip and trigger parts probably came from taiwan or something anyway.... not so different from china quality.
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Great writeup t0rch! Very entertaining.
NEA has said their LPK's are American, not Taiwanese if I recall.
Also, I would not say NEA's rifle is being marketed as "budget". I would say premium AR's being imported are being marked up because the importers "can", or maybe they have to due to import costs. Check out US prices for a fairer comparison.
Re-read your post.
Yes, there will always be a difference. Even for very loose tolerances, you work in thousandths of an inch.
If the difference in dimensions is too small to see but prevents it from mounting properly, then I'd be very interested in knowing what the actual dimensions are. I also speculated that perhaps it was the mount itself that was not within specifications and causing the problem.
And no, I'm not going off the deep end.
This is a very interesting point. Here, a $1000 AR seems like a "budget" option. Let me explain why I think this is a misconception:
I am willing to give our importers and retailers the benefit of the doubt and assume that the extra costs are a combination of import costs, which as we all know can be steep (especially considering that the importers need to pay not only the fees but the labour costs of the employees doing all the paperwork etc) and whatever the distributor is charging, and then the retailer needs to get paid.
I can easily imagine how a gun racks up extra costs pretty fast.
But let's think about guns available in the US for a moment.
They're built there. There is no international distributor to deal with and there are no import fees. I don't know exactly how they distribute to retailers, whether there is still a middle man or not, but if there is, they're evidently charging much less.
As a result, a Colt 6920 is about a thousand dollar gun.
A BCM AR...eight or nine hundred bucks.
A Daniel Defense...around nine hundred bucks.
A Stag...about nine hundred bucks.
LMT...you get the idea.
All of these guns...basically a thousand dollars. That's what it costs to build and retail an AR-15 when you don't have to deal with importers and exporters and distributors and so on.
Every company I have listed is building very high quality guns. There are no Olympics or Vulcans or any garbage on this list. In the US, a thousand bucks gets you an AR you could confidently use as a work gun if your job requires you to shoot people.
NEA is, I suspect, being thought of as a "budget" AR, because we are used to tacking a bunch of international charges on our guns.
But really, a domestically produced AR should cost...about a thousand bucks.
The smoking deal is the FF rail...that does make these things very reasonable. But the overall cost, when you think about it, doesn't reflect their "budget" status.
It's just the byproduct of FINALLY having a real Canadian domestic small arms manufacturer, just like they do in the States.
I hadn't really thought of it this way until reading the post I quoted. Maybe everyone else already had, but for those of us who hadn't, well, points to ponder.
As for me, I am now thinking of the NEA guns a little differently. I had already planned on making an NEA-15 my next purchase, and I think that's probably been pretty obvious. But I won't think of it as "this is a great bang-for-buck option", although that's true.
I'll probably just think of it as another serious AR, without import fees attached. I don't mind spending money to buy quality...but the money that I spend on import fees and distribution does not go in to the manufacture of the gun. It just goes in to a bank account somewhere.
If NEA continues with their program of building guns and parts and continues making them available to the Canadian civilian market, boy...I think we're going to see some real changes in the gun scene in this country. I have already been commenting on how I think the NEA guns are driving prices down across the board, and that's a big change.
But I don't think I really understood the significance of a Canadian domestic small arms manufacturer until just now.
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Good points Misanthropist. Food for thought, most definitely.
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Yes, definitely some good points there. Only time will tell, if it stacks up to compete against the big names then we will definitely see some change in Canada...
When I can afford it, I plan on getting a lower. I love the way they look.
When they come out with the monolithic upper,
I would be interested in obtaining one.
I try to support the Canadian made market whenever possible.
Not just because it keeps the money here, but the products kick ass!
When they come out with the monolithic upper,
I would be interested in obtaining one.
I try to support the Canadian made market whenever possible.
Not just because it keeps the money here, but the products kick ass!
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I have now made it my life's mission to get the AR non-restricted so I can buy one and use it to my heart's content without needing an ATT or a range to go to.
Yeah, I figured I would just drag it out so everyone could see my brain slowly wrapping around the concept you'd pointed out.
There is really nothing new in my post...it is just a detailed explanation of what you had already realized.
This is sure an interesting time to be a Canadian gun enthusiast.
