TDI Kriss KARD pistol

I agree that an optic for those with eye troubles is great. For the rest of the population, its a gimmick that only adds to the complexity, cost, and risk of failure associated with a defensive or competitive piece.

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TDC said:
I agree that an optic for those with eye troubles is great. For the rest of the population, its a gimmick that only adds to the complexity, cost, and risk of failure associated with a defensive or competitive piece.

TDC
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I am not sure about that. I think it will be a few years before we really get a sense of the benefits and costs of MRDS on a pistol.

Aimpoint was around for years before everybody finally realized just how much of a benefit they were on a fighting carbine. Once they started to turn up, though, it didn't take long before the RDS was almost universally adopted.

The pistol is a harder application...but it may turn out that a pistol designed to work with an MRDS will ultimately be a similar step forward. At this time I am having a hard time gauging where it is going. But potentially a handgun with a fixed slide might improve the utility of handgun optics.
 
TDC said:
They're becoming popular because people like Gabe Saurez have huge followings of poorly informed enthusiasts, not to mention the "cool" factor seen in open class guns for IPSC/USPSA. Learn to shoot with irons and you can be just as fast as a guy with an optic without the increased price or goofy looking gun.

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Why do you always talk down about others when it doesnt fit in your box of what is worthwhile?

I guess we should all remove our RDS off our carbines since we could cut down the price and not have a goofy looking gun...
 
TDC said:
I agree that an optic for those with eye troubles is great. For the rest of the population, its a gimmick that only adds to the complexity, cost, and risk of failure associated with a defensive or competitive piece.

TDC
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People said that same thing when RDS started to become popular on carbines. Also, in my limited view, I can see advantages with using the same optical reference (red dot) that I use on my carbine, especially when transitioning from a carbine to pistol. It would seem to me that there's just less to have to think about, especially under stress.

That being said, I don't think I will rush out and get my slide machined for an RDS before I am comfortable with my skill with iron sights.

I noticed in another thread that Wicked Police posted a pic of a Glock with an Aimpoint Micro installed. I'd be interested to hear his thoughts regarding that set up. I didn't notice any irons on the gun, but I could be wrong.
 
misanthropist said:
I am not sure...there are the Suarezes, but then there are also the Dr. Robertses and Vickerses and Rogerses...

I think that there is POTENTIAL merit to the MRDS setup.

What I am hearing is that the guys who are really benefiting the most are older guys whose vision is going.

That said, the benefit that I hear most about is not speed, it's accuracy on low-probability shots at a distance. At any rate I am not a convert but I think that there is the potential for improvement there. I think over the next 3-5 years we're going to see some developments in combining pistols and small, rugged optics that will push a lot of people in that direction.
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As usual, lots of common sense, coupled with research on the topic.

The things I've seen are exactly the above, the RDS are more accurate at distances. Closer in, irons are still faster. I have an Aimpoint Micro on one of my Gen4's. Past 15m, the dot is awesome. But closer in, I'm faster with irons.

Talking with a guy from Fort Bragg, there doesn't seem to be a consensus on what's better at this point. Some like the Leupold Delta, Trijicon RMR and similar.

But I was told the Micro is the heat.
 
wicked_police said:
As usual, lots of common sense, coupled with research on the topic.

The things I've seen are exactly the above, the RDS are more accurate at distances. Closer in, irons are still faster. I have an Aimpoint Micro on one of my Gen4's. Past 15m, the dot is awesome. But closer in, I'm faster with irons.

Talking with a guy from Fort Bragg, there doesn't seem to be a consensus on what's better at this point. Some like the Leupold Delta, Trijicon RMR and similar.

But I was told the Micro is the heat.
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I like the lower profile and durability of the RMR. I'd probably go with the dual-illuminated version. I like Costa's co-witness setup. My eyes aren't as great as they used to be, so I think it's definitely a consideration.
 
The downside to the Micro is a lack of iron sights. But given the application I had a conversation about (and who it was with), the distances the gun would typically be used at, it wasn't an issue. The tube of the Micro would be used to frame the target.

I shot the first 6 serials of Jason Falla's carbine standards (SR-15, Aimpoint T-1, VCAS sling), (Gen4 G17 with Aimpoint H-1 in Blade-tech holster) for the first time last week. I found I was slightly slower on the transitions to the pistol, maybe .25 to .5 seconds, due to finding the dot. I was still able to shoot the stages I did clean, under time.

After doing a little more shooting with the Gen4 and Micro, it gets easier to pick up the dot from the holster, but shot to shot is still a little slower. Finding the dot after recoil is tougher than tracking the front sight, no doubt about it.

Again, these are issues mainly within 10-15m. For me any way.


blaxsun said:
I like the lower profile and durability of the RMR. I'd probably go with the dual-illuminated version. I like Costa's co-witness setup. My eyes aren't as great as they used to be, so I think it's definitely a consideration.
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Again, the biggest downside people will have with a Micro over the other types of RDS is the lack of irons.

It matters little to me though, since it's a range and maybe game gun. If the dot goes down, I blow a stage, or take out another gun and keep working drills.
 
^^Thanks for your thoughts. It's great to have this level of feedback by someone who knows what they are talking about through practical application.

I noticed in Costa's video above he said that the back up irons on this M&Pc helped him find his RDS faster. He also said that he found that a shorter barrel/slide allowed him to track the RDS better.

I'd really like to try one out, one day.
 
This looks like a Wolf slide. They should start making one with suppressor sights and machined for the RMR.

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IMO if you are putting an rds on a pistol slide you have to melt it in, puts the dot really low so that you pick it up exactly like the front site of your pistol, putting it in the rear site notch it just ends up really high
 
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