Dlask 9" and 12.5" 10/22 barrels legal?!

heavenIsAlie said:
106mm is min barrel length on a pistol, on a rifle there is no min barrel length, so if you wanted a 2" barrelled rifle you are good to go (seen an Ar with this in canada)
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this seems to be wrong from what i learned today.

i called in to do some transferring today and while i was on the phone i asked a few questions and had them look some things up for me.

the barrel lengths listed in the RCMP system for a regular 10/22 rifle, with there classifications attached are as follows....

508mm (20") NONrestricted
470mm (18.5")NONrestricted
410mm (16")NONrestricted
292mm (11.5") NONrestricted
254mm (10") NONrestricted
225mm (8 7/8") *restricted*
203mm (8") *restricted*
105mm (4 1/8") *PROHIBITED*

i asked "what if i have an 8" barrel on a rifle that still meets the OAL of NONrestricted?"
her response was that as far as her system was concerned, the classification is attached to the BARREL LENGTH, and that i would need to work with the 'technical department' if i wanted to get something of that nature in nonrestricted status worked out.

i hope this is helpful to people. if you are still wondering, you can call and get the same info i got.
 
Wrong Way said:
Ummmm....we are talking about manufactured barrels....that was VERY clearly identified in the OP.

The 26.5" is a better #, unless you want to bet your firearms ownership on whether the judge believes a but pad counts towards OAL or not. ;)
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Wow you are VERY clearly full of s**t. Do you have legal precedent showing a "padded" length of 26.5" is required?

I work within the law, the law says 660mm (25.984"). Promoting additional length is nothing more then self-regulation.:mad::slap:
 
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There is a variable that isn't included in turbo-minivan's FRT barrel lengths - whether it is manufacturer's specification or non-commercial customization. All of the barrel lengths that have been made by Ruger for that specific model should be listed as man. spec. Other lengths in the FRT that have been recorded and verified represent either cut Ruger barrels or replacements with aftermarket barrels show up as non-commercial customizations. The legal classifications of restricted or prohibited would be based on the individual samples that were examined. So if a 203mm manufactured barrel is found on a gun with a folding stock, it would be restricted because the length is under 660mm. A saw-off 203mm barrel, regardless of overall length, would be prohibited because of the cutting of the barrel.The same length barrel in a Tapco stock (mine is 662mm) would show up as another FRT 'child' entry with a 203mm barrel and non-restricted.

My understanding of the FRT's limitations is that the database isn't structured to show some nuances (e.g. A 10/22 with a bullpup stock isn't prohibited, the stock is). Unless you know the details of the non-commercial customization that was used to make the FRT 'child' record, you're left guessing as to how the stock was configured and whether the barrel's length was legally produced.
 
Will this foolishness still apply once the registry is kablammo'ed?

I'd like a 12.5" dlask barrel on my 10/22, but it doesn't appear in the list at the top of page 3... Does this mean I would have to call the girls in miramichi and have it added to the list and jump through a bunch of hoops? I know that I need a 660mm OAL.
 
I don't know if this is still the case but they didn't used to add another barrel length if there was already one within 10mm of the barrel you're trying to report. Your 16.5" barrel is 419mm so it may not need an addition to the FRT. Anyway, if you know of a verifier who can check the gun, the hoop takes a couple of minutes. I was a verifier in a previous job and the certification is still valid. When I called in for my sub-457mm barrel on a DAR22, it only took about a minute for her to add the 'child' record to the FRT.

These legal classifications have nothing to do with the LGR, so they're not going away.
 
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Harbourone said:
Will this foolishness still apply once the registry is kablammo'ed?

I'd like a 12.5" dlask barrel on my 10/22, but it doesn't appear in the list at the top of page 3... Does this mean I would have to call the girls in miramichi and have it added to the list and jump through a bunch of hoops? I know that I need a 660mm OAL.
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NO. If it is non-restricted before you put the 12.5" barrel on and remains non-restricted after you put it on, I.E. it remains over 26" then you do not need to tell them anything. You only need to inform of a Classification change, I.E. Nonrestricted/Restricted/Prohibited.
 
Well heres a question then: once the LGR is gone, can we still have FRTs added/updated for new configurations? If a 10/22 with 8" bbl is currently classed as restricted, will it be that way permanently?
 
turbo-minivan said:
this seems to be wrong from what i learned today.

i called in to do some transferring today and while i was on the phone i asked a few questions and had them look some things up for me.

the barrel lengths listed in the RCMP system for a regular 10/22 rifle, with there classifications attached are as follows....

508mm (20") NONrestricted
470mm (18.5")NONrestricted
410mm (16")NONrestricted
292mm (11.5") NONrestricted
254mm (10") NONrestricted
225mm (8 7/8") *restricted*
203mm (8") *restricted*
105mm (4 1/8") *PROHIBITED*

i asked "what if i have an 8" barrel on a rifle that still meets the OAL of NONrestricted?"
her response was that as far as her system was concerned, the classification is attached to the BARREL LENGTH, and that i would need to work with the 'technical department' if i wanted to get something of that nature in nonrestricted status worked out.

i hope this is helpful to people. if you are still wondering, you can call and get the same info i got.
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from the criminal code of canada (section 84)
"“prohibited device” means

(a) any component or part of a weapon, or any accessory for use with a weapon, that is prescribed to be a prohibited device,
(b) a handgun barrel that is equal to or less than 105 mm in length, but does not include any such handgun barrel that is prescribed, where the handgun barrel is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
(c) a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm,
(d) a cartridge magazine that is prescribed to be a prohibited device, or
(e) a replica firearm;
“prohibited firearm”
« arme à feu prohibée »
“prohibited firearm” means

(a) a handgun that
(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
(ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,
but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,

(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm;"

and link to the rcmp fact sheet that says the same thing
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm

specifically says "handgun barrel" so rifle barrels are not subject to that law.
 
"or any accessory for use with a weapon, that is prescribed to be a prohibited device,"

What about that, can't they just make it up as they go along?

If these things need to be entered, why isn't DLask doing it, they are selling the parts.
 
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