For those that think bolt actions are too slow

jimmyjazz said:
No matter what we all think of others shooting abilities, whether at stationary or moving targets.
It all comes down to practice; I’ve seen shooters that can’t hit a pie plate at 100 yards off hand with no pressure on them at all. Most people think they can until they try it!!

Good shooting Camp Cook!!
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I've always said, if you want a humbling experience, get off the bench and shoot free-hand at 100 yards. I know I was humbled :redface:
 
ninepointer said:
I've always said, if you want a humbling experience, get off the bench and shoot free-hand at 100 yards. I know I was humbled :redface:
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I find it alot harder making good hits on a stationary target offhand than it is making a good hit on a moving target, within reasonable distances.
 
Like mentioned, a properly fitted rifle plus endless practice will do wonders for your shooting. And yes I agree shooting off had is very humbling as all of a sudden your 1" groups go to 16" groups. At times moving targets seem easier to hit as I think we don't have time to think about the shot we just instinctively swing, point and shoot. I think it is more natural.

If you watch those fella's on the out door channel's show called "Impossible Shot" those guys live to shoot, sponsored and paid, coupled with some natural talent they are very good at it as they practice every day.

Most fella's you encounter up moose or deer hunting shoot a rifle a couple times a year at best. I get out more than that, but there many times when shooting at game I question whether the bullet's are actually coming out the end of barrel !
 
mrgoat said:
Like mentioned, a properly fitted rifle plus endless practice will do wonders for your shooting.
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Very true....When I was 16, I missed 13 deer. Some as close as 25yds..Even though I shot alot of stationary targets I just could not hit a moving target..

I practiced with the old plywood in a tire trick the summer after that season...Hundreds of rounds fired by myself and a couple friends...We roled the tire down an old rough hill is our sugar bush, and opened fire on it from inside the bush line 25-60yds in...This is far more challenging than doing it in the open where there is no trees in the way....

Since then I have practiced atleast a couple times a year...My shooting got better considerably..I have missed deer since, but have gotten alot better at picking my shots through the years...I now live by some words of my father.. When asked, why do you never miss? His reply was....I don't shoot at every deer I see, just the ones I know I can hit....
 
Moving and running targets aren't that hard if you understand the fundamentals.

1. You need a gun that fits you. Any time I consider buying or hunting with a gun, I pick a "target" in the distance, close my eyes and pull up where I recall the target being. I open my eyes and if I'm not virtually on target with the sights aligned I opt for a different gun. Cheek weld and sight alignment are critical.

2. Follow through. Just like shotgunning, you need to follow through on a running target. Lots of guys fail when they attempt to find "holes" in the bush to shoot through and neglect their follow-through.

3. Optics. Low powered, wide angle stuff works fine but I've read lots of stories where guys on here had their 3-9 scopes on 9x then missed a running shot. All my variable power scopes are on their lowest setting unless needed.

4. Practice, practice, practice.

I have no doubt that the OP and Camp Cook are probably better real life shooters than the majority of the guys on this forum and I'm willing to bet they'll agree with my fundamentals...... ;)
 
captonion said:
Very true....When I was 16, I missed 13 deer. Some as close as 25yds..Even though I shot alot of stationary targets I just could not hit a moving target..

I practiced with the old plywood in a tire trick the summer after that season...Hundreds of rounds fired by myself and a couple friends...We roled the tire down an old rough hill is our sugar bush, and opened fire on it from inside the bush line 25-60yds in...This is far more challenging than doing it in the open where there is no trees in the way....

Since then I have practiced atleast a couple times a year...My shooting got better considerably..I have missed deer since, but have gotten alot better at picking my shots through the years...I now live by some words of my father.. When asked, why do you never miss? His reply was....I don't shoot at every deer I see, just the ones I know I can hit....
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It's funny how we mature..... When I take a new shooter out and they feel bad about missing a deer I tell them not to worry, I've missed more than most people have ever seen and it's probably true. I'm 29 and I nearly always hit when I shoot now but I know a lot more about picking good shots and letting the bad ones go by. Four single shot kills on the deer hunt this season pretty much proved that. ;)
 
2. Follow through. Just like shotgunning, you need to follow through on a running target. Lots of guys fail when they attempt to find "holes" in the bush to shoot through and neglect their follow-through.
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I both agree and disagree with this there are many time when I am shooting at a running deer that I pick an opening as it is flashing thru the thick trees and time the animal coming into my shot just like the fellow in the video is doing with his light recoiling 7mm mag...
 
Camp Cook said:
I both agree and disagree with this there are many time when I am shooting at a running deer that I pick an opening as it is flashing thru the thick trees and time the animal coming into my shot just like the fellow in the video is doing with his light recoiling 7mm mag...
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Agree...A must bush hunting...Follow through will bag you more trees than game..

I try to have my cross hairs just ahead of the deer's brisket, and when hair appears I squeeze...Realistically shooting in bush the deer are within 50yds +/-, and having to lead your shot is nil. When you are in open areas, like pasture, fields, and marshes, is where your follow through, and lead depending on distance, animal speed, and cartrige speed become critical.
 
samdunc said:
Not even in the same ballpark. That young German can certainly shoot.
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I can go with that... how about adding into the equation that I am not shooting a light recoiling 7mm mag but 350gr JRN @ 2150fps in the Marlin 1895GS and 270gr JRN @ 2850fps in my Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM...

Most of you would flinch so badly with either of these rifle/cartridge combo's that you wouldn't even hit the target...

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Most of you would flinch so badly with either of these rifle/cartridge combo's that you wouldn't even hit the target...

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Who the heck are you to judge or assume what most of us would do ??
You must think that you are the only person around that owns a rifle that recoils...
Maybe someday if you live long enough you will be able to handle a rifle half as well as that young lad with the Sauer.....
 
meh- if you listen to the rapidity, you realize that a man well practised with a LEE ENFIELD could also keep that cycle ; as for shooting at a moving target, i'm frankly surprised when somebody DOESN'T do it- it's just a matter of guaging how fast the target is moving, and then adjusting for proper lead-how i was taught to do it was to take 2 verticals, see how long it takes to run between them, and adjust from there- most of the time it works- it's even covered in the old infantry manuals- half a body width for walking at a brisk pace, a full body width for running, similar to what you do for windage- and if there's a wind blowing you just add or subtract lead
 
as for shooting at a moving target, i'm frankly surprised when somebody DOESN'T do it
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I'm not, while I have seen some shooters that were very good at hitting running targets, I have seen far more empty rifles at running animals and not touch the animals. Of course in many cases, the range was over 200 yards, and in some cases 400 yards or more.
 
Well, if nothing else, this thread has revealed some of the arrogant gun owners out there. Quite humorous to see how highly some regard themselves.

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Kevan said:
Who the heck are you to judge or assume what most of us would do ??
You must think that you are the only person around that owns a rifle that recoils...
Maybe someday if you live long enough you will be able to handle a rifle half as well as that young lad with the Sauer.....
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Haaa haaa haaa some of you guys are such good humour...

Thk
 
Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
According to my four-year old son I am without a doubt the greatest shot in any discipline anywhere that has ever lived! :D
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hahahahah well put! It seems your four year old son is posting in this thread as well!

That shootings no big deal. Done it tons of times, offhand with an eyepatch of course. :cool:
 
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