rc byf45 price??
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x2 on the price estimate.
A late war 98 can be restored to pretty much original configuration if you have the time and money. At that point in the war the only thing serial numbered was the action and the bolt. But with that one the expense wouldn't be worth it as kriegsmodell cofiguration would require a proper stock, bolt takedown hole in side of buttplate, no bayonet lug, stamped and welded(screwed on) barrel bands, no cleaning rod. Also stamped floorplate and trigger guard. It's good that the WaA are not peened anyway. Seems not to have much finish left either so I'm leaning more towards $450 than $600.
Youre right Nabs, but being an RC would they not have applied their black BS to it as per usual?
Also the colour looks relatively uniform. So seeing as its a total mixmaster, I cant see them reuniting all Phosphate parts.....sadly.
So in this case I would say worn down finish.
Also the colour looks relatively uniform. So seeing as its a total mixmaster, I cant see them reuniting all Phosphate parts.....sadly.
So in this case I would say worn down finish.
It really depends.
When I had my bcd 1944, she was a very mild RC, in that only the bolt, trigger guard, and stock was matched, the rest of the parts were generally late war in origin.
Compared to my J.P 1940, she has a mix of early and mid war parts with just about everything electropenciled to match. Plum colour was on alot of the parts too including the extractor, magazine spring, and band retaining spring.
I honestly have not seen enough 1945 RC Kar98ks to comment on how Russians would have finished them in the 1950s and '60s.
Judging by Whitey's photos, the lower and upper band are milled pieces from the early war period and the stock could be mid war or earlier given the take down disc (but no view of what type of butt plate it has). It looks like the magazine could be stamped but the picture doesn't show it clearly.
In any event, I think she is worth studying, how many 1945 dated, Mauser made, Kar98ks do you run into these days ?
When I had my bcd 1944, she was a very mild RC, in that only the bolt, trigger guard, and stock was matched, the rest of the parts were generally late war in origin.
Compared to my J.P 1940, she has a mix of early and mid war parts with just about everything electropenciled to match. Plum colour was on alot of the parts too including the extractor, magazine spring, and band retaining spring.
I honestly have not seen enough 1945 RC Kar98ks to comment on how Russians would have finished them in the 1950s and '60s.
Judging by Whitey's photos, the lower and upper band are milled pieces from the early war period and the stock could be mid war or earlier given the take down disc (but no view of what type of butt plate it has). It looks like the magazine could be stamped but the picture doesn't show it clearly.
In any event, I think she is worth studying, how many 1945 dated, Mauser made, Kar98ks do you run into these days ?
I agree on the price. Interesting code (late war) but unless it was a former Sniper or legit SS marked rifle it is simply an RC at the end of the day. Only the barrel, reciever and rear sight would be matching and would probably be re-finished.
The rest of the parts are not correct for the year. Someone could re-finish the project, but I recently saw a Kriegsmodell stock sell for $850 on the Kriegsmodell site. So at the end of the day a project gun would outprice itself.
RC's are a great way to get into Milsup collecting, it is how I started. It would be neat to see a book on Russian Re-Finishing of arms, seeing that they refinished Lugers, P38's, K98's and many Soviet arms. There must have been some standard policies and variations.
The rest of the parts are not correct for the year. Someone could re-finish the project, but I recently saw a Kriegsmodell stock sell for $850 on the Kriegsmodell site. So at the end of the day a project gun would outprice itself.
RC's are a great way to get into Milsup collecting, it is how I started. It would be neat to see a book on Russian Re-Finishing of arms, seeing that they refinished Lugers, P38's, K98's and many Soviet arms. There must have been some standard policies and variations.
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I agree, there was certainly some sort of general guideline on how to go about refurbishing the firearms in stock but I have yet to see an actual manual on it. Given the variations in refurbishment work, the guidelines may have differed from each shop that did the work.
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Could it possibly be bead blasted or chemically stripped to bare metal? Usually the phosphate is a green or grey color on the German rifles like K43's and K98s. Unless it's the flash on the camera causing the image to appear different?
However, the front band is the same color as the barrel. That early band would have been blued and not phosphated. Worn or stripped finish?
However, the front band is the same color as the barrel. That early band would have been blued and not phosphated. Worn or stripped finish?
I am wondering if this is an RC? I don't see any typical RC markings such as an 'X' etc on the side or tope of the reciever.
Perhaps a French refurb? I had a bnz44 French Refurb which had mixed parts and looked very similar in the worn finish. Is there an "R" marked on the stock?
Perhaps a French refurb? I had a bnz44 French Refurb which had mixed parts and looked very similar in the worn finish. Is there an "R" marked on the stock?
The band spring looks to be blued.
I am seeing what looks to be that greenish, phosphate look to the metal, interesting how the front band looks the same but the lower band retains it's bluing.
Does the bolt or trigger guard or any parts have any electro penciled numbers ?
As for the stock, does the left side have a serial number stamped into it ? The stock though, is not the correct type for a 1945 dated rifle as the flat butt plate indicates 1940 and earlier production. It should hold up a lot better under strain then a 1945 made stock would
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It is possible she is a mild russian capture, one where the Soviets didn't bother to re-blue or stamp anything with their marks but just swap parts around. The original stock may have been rendered useless by a German soldier as I read they would smash the butt stock against a hard surface prior to surrendering.
I think late 40s, early 50s refurbished Kar98ks would follow this refurb suit whereas later refurbs would have all the typical Soviet additions (plum colour, electro penciled parts, shellac finish..etc).
Weren't some Kar98ks captured and re-issued right away during and just after WW2 ?
I am seeing what looks to be that greenish, phosphate look to the metal, interesting how the front band looks the same but the lower band retains it's bluing.
Does the bolt or trigger guard or any parts have any electro penciled numbers ?
As for the stock, does the left side have a serial number stamped into it ? The stock though, is not the correct type for a 1945 dated rifle as the flat butt plate indicates 1940 and earlier production. It should hold up a lot better under strain then a 1945 made stock would
.It is possible she is a mild russian capture, one where the Soviets didn't bother to re-blue or stamp anything with their marks but just swap parts around. The original stock may have been rendered useless by a German soldier as I read they would smash the butt stock against a hard surface prior to surrendering.
I think late 40s, early 50s refurbished Kar98ks would follow this refurb suit whereas later refurbs would have all the typical Soviet additions (plum colour, electro penciled parts, shellac finish..etc).
Weren't some Kar98ks captured and re-issued right away during and just after WW2 ?
On a close second look, it looks like the extractor and the bolt sleeve show evidence of worn bluing or black paint ?
Could be she was simply painted black instead of blued.
Close up pictures of these areas would confirm though.
Could be she was simply painted black instead of blued.
Close up pictures of these areas would confirm though.
