NEA fanboys/issues

misanthropist said:
Yep...I think POF is one of the most overrated builders out there. I have yet to encounter a trusted source on them that doesn't say the same thing: stay away.

I realize they're popular on this board, but I am not a fan at all.
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I'm glad we cleared that up. I'm not going to turn this into a NEA vs. POF thread, but clearly if you think that the two are in any way comparable - then you've obviously never owned one.
 
I'm with Misanthropist on this one, recently they (POF) have dressed up their products with HK style pictograms etc, but they have a long track record of producing sh*te that goes back 30 years, it doesn't go away over night. Also, consider that their claim to fame is the answer to the question no one was asking -the piston AR.
 
enefgee said:
I'm with Misanthropist on this one, recently they (POF) have dressed up their products with HK style pictograms etc, but they have a long track record of producing sh*te that goes back 30 years, it doesn't go away over night. Also, consider that their claim to fame is the answer to the question no one was asking -the piston AR.
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There to the best of my knowledge not been any POS's manufactured by POF(INC 2002).I have shot their guns and presently own a .308,There is no comparison to the majority of AR's out there and certianly no comparison to be made here to a NEA(Not slaging NEA) but they are in a different class.Only rifle I can think of that does compare is the H&K MR.223/MR.308.

As far as the Question no one was asking....well it was asked, and continues to be asked to this day. Lite an AR on full auto and see what happens to the system....Many more experienced and in harsher enviorments/demands etc.. than 99 percent of us on here have asked.
I personally would like to see this long track record of POS's,To the best of my knowledge it doesn't exist. Unless you have used/shot one you will not understand the vast differences between brands.
 
North Eastern Arms said:
The last guy that had a issue with his rifle in PM asked me if I wanted him to take the pictures down.. I said no, we f**ked up keep them up there. We're not hiding anything, nor asking anyone to.


I am so tired of the constant BS that goes on around here. What's the point of taking the time explaining an issue when it just gets buried under by the same group of people lurking around stirring the pot up. I wonder how things get missed.. probably because we have to spend 6 hours a day on the internet playing forum games.


For the record, and for the last time, we had 18 of over 400+ rifles go out in the last 2 months go out that had a barrel issue. How this turned into a dozen different issues is beyond me. We had some rifles go out with undersized gas ports and rough chambers. Yes. 18 got out.. all to Canada. We dropped the ball and we admitted it. We had a couple rail issues with the wrong ones making it onto guns after we scrapped 200 sets because people had a problem with the "looks" of them. And lucky us though they're all CGN'ers. There are a few we didn't catch up with and replace after the fact.. I can't wait to see the next possible 3 that we haven't got back yet, I look forward to doing this all again then.

We're understaffed and doing the best we can to get rifles to our dealers because people here have been giving them a hard time because they're not in stock. We've gone out of our way to make sure that everyone has been taken care of as best as possible, and IMO have gone far above what any other company would do. we have been operating at maximum capacity for the last 6 months filling new orders and pre existing commitments. On top of that we have to allocate our loads between our international and domestic customers... and they're more than happy with our products and understand that we're doing everything we can to get them a good product. Yet here I sit, yet again wasting our and your time going over all this again in stead of getting product out the door.

We have gone above and beyond to get out a well priced, reliable product out the door to our customers. That's all we can do, and what we will continue to do. Sh!t on us or our supporters if you wish. I know that we'll be stepping back a bit from these forums so we can focus on what's important. The drama is ridiculous. As always we're available by email anytime.
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I am in the market for an AR, and NEA was brought up as a gun I should look at. No importing costs means you can sell a better gun for less, as far as I can see. And while there may, but probably not, have issues I am more then happy at your ability to rectify any issue.

Now my only problem with you is that I can't find a 14.5" local, lol.
Although it would be interesting to see actual stats on consistancy at say 300m with the different barrel length, rather then trying to gather if there is any difference from 10 different peoples trials.
Reason I ask is a 10.5 or even 7.5 would be fun to play with. But not sure if they would be as good for 3 gun.


North Eastern Arms said:
13% of our rifles are on Canadian soil. 100% of the 18 guns we had issue are on Canadian soil. 95% of our time is spent on Canadian Forums fixing it. How many of those 18 are on CGN... 13 so far. If I could only get the other 82% to come on CGN and speak their minds I wouldn't have to be here.
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Not sure why, but I like seeing stats where the guns go.
Can I ask how many guns account for the 13%?


North Eastern Arms said:
We have discussed selling internatinally only solely because of the utter PITA dealing in Canada is, but in the end there's nothing more we want to see is people at home enjoying our wares. Problem is that those that have them are enjoying them while the rest of the pack is busy #####ing and complaining.
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A few ruin it for the many. Although being such a tech rounded country it's not surprising almost all guns that had an issue ended up being public issues.
I'd imagin if you did get into the states there would be a similar forum issue as here.
But I have to give you props for taking time out of your day to address us here. Shows a lot about your company actually.
 
If you'd like to order an 14.5" we have them on preorder on our website www.theammosource.com There is also free shipping. We've cleared up most of our pre order list for the 14.5" so there aren't that many 14.5" on back order....on that note 3 more people will be getting an email early next week that their 14.5" guns are ready...on top of close to 10 this week :)
 
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Jeff000 said:
Reason I ask is a 10.5 or even 7.5 would be fun to play with. But not sure if they would be as good for 3 gun.
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I've shot 3-gun with a 7.5 before. Actually, it was quite handy. Use a blast cone though or the other folks in attendance will dislike you intensely.
 
Claven2 said:
I've shot 3-gun with a 7.5 before. Actually, it was quite handy. Use a blast cone though or the other folks in attendance will dislike you intensely.
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i should see my NEA 7.5 and 10.5 in the next few weeks and i talked to Joe at Dlask about doing another run of the XB1 muzzle brake(Noveske flaming pig knock off), any other suggestions aside from the XB1??

i have everything from H&K to Imperial Defense ARs and Im pretty much new to the NEA products....when i get these rifles, i will try my best to give an objective impression with a range report to follow.
 
Claven2 said:
Nope. The OP edited his thread because initially it started off with him saying NEA had done hard by him because his gun didn't work with a cheap mag. Everyone pointed out that you don't judge a gun based on a crappy magazine. He tried better mags and ammo, the problem persisted, and NEA replaced his upper. Not sure what the OP of this thread is trying to show by quoting that other thread?

The NEA issues, as far as I know baed on CGN, are as follows (in no particular order).

1) A dozen or so rails were accidentally installed and shipped which were out of square. NEA replaces them free if you are affected.
2) I've seen two posts where people complained that their chambers had reaming issues. In each case I know of, NEA shipped (overnight) the affected people new uppers at NEA's expense.
3) Some people don't like the greyish anodizing. Fair enough. If you prefer a darker AR, buy another brand.
4) I had one person pm me that their NEA upper had an out of spec top rail. Not sure what to make of this as the one I measured last week was fine and I've not heard of anyone else having a problem, but I heard of it, so it's posted here.
5) Some people complain of the "splotchy" barrel finish. Like the grey anodizing, the barrel finish is an NEA-unique process that leaves the barrels a very light grey colour. It's some sort of salt bath ferritic nitriding finish, not unlike the tennifer Rauch Tactical did on VZ's. I had a RT VZ and it was splotchy as well, though darker. The tennifer splotchiness was permanent, while the NEA splotchiness wiped off with an oily rag on the two barrels I've had. I think that the long-term performance of the NEA barrels is yet to be proven or dis-proven. For now I am happy with mine. Your mileage may vary, but NEA will likely NOT warranty your unhappiness with the colour of the barrel as they don;t view this as a defect and neither do I.
6) Heavy trigger/hammer springs. The first batch shipped with full-auto M16A2 spring sets. If you have a 12lb trigger pull, NEA apparently ships free lighter AR15 spring replacements to you.
7) Undersized gas port. I have no idea how widespread this is, but on the first dealer shipment some percentage of uppers had undersized gas ports that wern't picked up due to test firing with a can. NEA ships new uppers to you if you are affected.
9) Machining marks on the upper/lower/handguard or whatever. Frankly I've not seen pics of anything problematic, but I believe there are likely surfaces showing end mill swirls. Ever seen an LMT MRP or other billet gun? If not, then I suggest you go look at one. Every billet gun I have ever seen had this evident to one degree or another. It can be eliminated by slower feed rates and more frequent tool bit changes during manufacture, but that would increase price a fair bit. unless it's really bad, I would not consider this much of an issue personally. Your mileage may vary.

I think that covers the issues I know of. Most of these are confined to a single shipment of guns and have reportedly been corrected on subsequent production.

I found all these readily available in NEA's own posts except for the one issue I was pm'd about. I hardly consider that a coverup.
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Claven How does stuff get out of the shop that is out of square?. That is first day stuff. If I signed off on out of square out of spec parts my boss would have my sack for a coin purse. Nea needs to kick someones @ss in Q.C.
 
misanthropist said:
What sort of suggestions? Other products we'd like to see him copy? Or other products that he already makes or has made that we'd like more of?
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no.

something other than the XB1 that will help keep the blast and sound forward and will perhaps help with cycling issues on an SBR. it just seems like a real PITA to find a good SBR Brake in Canada for under $200.00 and im just looking for suggestions.
 
mg4201 said:
Claven How does stuff get out of the shop that is out of square?. That is first day stuff. If I signed off on out of square out of spec parts my boss would have my sack for a coin purse. Nea needs to kick someones @ss in Q.C.
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The story I heard is that they were sorted out as unsatisfactory, but a low-paid assembler grabbed the condemned batch and installed them.

Stuff happens. Ever work in manufacturing?
 
pbr streetgang said:
no.

something other than the XB1 that will help keep the blast and sound forward and will perhaps help with cycling issues on an SBR. it just seems like a real PITA to find a good SBR Brake in Canada for under $200.00 and im just looking for suggestions.
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Given NEA has a licensing arrangement with Spex, I imagine they will eventually make something like that.
 
Claven2 said:
The story I heard is that they were sorted out as unsatisfactory, but a low-paid assembler grabbed the condemned batch and installed them.

Stuff happens. Ever work in manufacturing?
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Every day, I am a tool maker and even as a tool maker my stuff gets checked before it goes to the customer, all pieces, every time.
 
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