Magpul; Art of the precision Rifle

Lots of people seem to laugh at a level on a rifle. It just proves that they don't know #### about shooting distance anywhere but a flat manicured range. Once you induce cant into a rifle due to angle of the terrain and not realizing that you are actually at an angle you think the wind is getting you, more than likely you are canting the rifle.
 
kman300 said:
I'm very surprised the mods aren't locking this thread. Ppl are blatantly illegally downloading copyrighted material and telling others how to do the same. Is illegally downloading material any less "bad" then doing illegal things with guns? Breaking the law sometimes is ok, but not other times?
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In Canada, it is only illegal to UPLOAD pirated media, however downloading information off the web, well that just freedom of information. Since you weren't the one who actually ripped it and uploaded it.
 
Guys, I'd say that Magpul - only guys pretty much who tried to put things together in video. As much we trash them, but still good points there. A lot of you learn by books or experience, but there is little of us who has/had mentor. Which is sad, we have some here, but it is damn expensive and little time.
 
peacefrog said:
Scope levels work. They are one of those little things that actually make a big difference. Once you start shooting longer distances you will want the level.

Still no good if you don't level the rifle first though.
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Should be level with the scope. The rifle can be out of level all you want but once the optics aren't level that's when the accuracy is thrown out the window.
 
Watched about 20 minutes of DVD 1.... makes me want to get back into precision shooting.

The intro brings back memories of our days up at the 900 meter range up at Borden.
 
I finally had a little time to start watching disk one that just arrived. It seems pretty good so far. About what I'd expect them to cover. All fundamentals so far, but it is usually the fundamentals that burn me.

I sure can't think of a better video in the tac-precision space.
 
Over all its a good video with good info. yeah they are marketing and pushing certain items, thats called sponsorship. So you take the good and huck the stuff you find pointless. Overall I enjoyed it, liked some of the quick math and the fact that they aren't shooting on a golf course range. I have had a scope level for the last 4 years. Call it what you will I like it and use it. Know a bunch of guys who think they are hype or a gimmick. To each their own. Again overall, decent job and some good info there.
 
Just finished watching disc 1 and besides some basics and reticle info that you might already know etc, if you don't have a PDA with the ATrag software from Horus vision it will not relate much to your shooting. I will admit that the ATrag software looks interesting. Shooting a .308 at a range just before transonic and getting your ballistic algorithm from that using actual bullet impact and confirming with a closer shot seems interesting. Overal though I don't have ATrag on a PDA so Disc 1 so far will not really make me do anything different from what I already do. Bottom line disc one is a long as comercial for Horus vision's ATrag. I hope disc 2 is les proprietary.
 
Of the guys that have watched the videos so far, can you describe or draw out how their plates are hanging on the frame?

I'm interested in their targets and how to build them.
 
peacefrog said:
totally bad. By buying the DVD's people ensure that fair compensation is given for work produced. How would you feel if you did not get paid for the work you did at the end of the day? The difference here is that nobody really knows how much money they are out from downloading, because they can't see it.

Try "not stealing" the DVD's from a store and see how that goes for you.
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Magpul doesn't care about Canada really and the states won't let them ship their DVDs to dealers here so F**K'm. If we were all sheep we'd all be saying, "oh I guess we can't watch it then unless we go to a buddy's house in the states." Give me a brake. There are more people in California alone then all of Canada so the 100 or so guys on this forum that 'would' actually buy it, don't even amount to a drop in the bucket in comparison to the sales of these DVDs in the states.

Someone seed this DVD set on ISO Hunt
 
Think of something shaped like a wishbone. Arms run up at an angle. Chains come down from the upper ends, one set for the head, another for the body.
I've found that salvaged auto seat belts is better than chain. Takes more hits to cut it. Having the head/body option might be useful for an unknown distance competition.

Had no trouble buying a set of legitimate discs. Forty odd dollars plus postage.

The system described using the PDA, quality laser range finder and Horus reticle looks to work very well for what they were doing. Don't know if it would be particularly useful for the shooting I do. There is a lot of good information for anyone interested in long range shooting. If you don't want $700 worth of PDA, and an expensive Horus scope, you can achieve the same results with the $100 disc calculator system and your mildot reticle. Just a bit slower.
Of course, there are other shooters here who know at least as much as the folks who made the videos. If they study the videos, they will automatically add anything new to what they already know, and be way ahead of the producers.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
Magpul doesn't care about Canada really and the states won't let them ship their DVDs to dealers here so F**K'm. If we were all sheep we'd all be saying, "oh I guess we can't watch it then unless we go to a buddy's house in the states." Give me a brake. There are more people in California alone then all of Canada so the 100 or so guys on this forum that 'would' actually buy it, don't even amount to a drop in the bucket in comparison to the sales of these DVDs in the states.

Someone seed this DVD set on ISO Hunt
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Not just that, but the DVD model is so antiquated. If I buy a DVD(which I did in this case) I have to wait through a myriad of threats, disclaimers, and other assorted menus, and commercials that I don't care the least about.

Usually this is already tossed when you get a content distribution.

DVD publishers are very slow to realize that this is neither necessary, nor wanted by its market. Much like Sony had/has so much trouble realizing that people don't want music CDs.

I am fine with paying for content, but let me enjoy the content as the artists and content creators intended.
 
tiriaq said:
Think of something shaped like a wishbone. Arms run up at an angle. Chains come down from the upper ends, one set for the head, another for the body.
I've found that salvaged auto seat belts is better than chain. Takes more hits to cut it. Having the head/body option might be useful for an unknown distance competition.

Had no trouble buying a set of legitimate discs. Forty odd dollars plus postage.

The system described using the PDA, quality laser range finder and Horus reticle looks to work very well for what they were doing. Don't know if it would be particularly useful for the shooting I do. There is a lot of good information for anyone interested in long range shooting. If you don't want $700 worth of PDA, and an expensive Horus scope, you can achieve the same results with the $100 disc calculator system and your mildot reticle. Just a bit slower.
Of course, there are other shooters here who know at least as much as the folks who made the videos. If they study the videos, they will automatically add anything new to what they already know, and be way ahead of the producers.
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I'd imagine they have some sort of three legged base with a center point then that bows out at 45 degree agles to the left and right with rings welded on the top and the chains hook onto those then?
 
I just finished watching all through to disc 5, and was impressed with the quality of information provided. Sure they are pushing product, but that doesn't mean that the information related to that product can't be used with others. All the information related to the ATrag stuff I found could be referenced to using Ballistic FTE (on my iphone) except the Truing shot. In regards to recalculating a truing shot I've wrote the author of Ballistic FTE about adding it in future versions, but so far no response back.

Later DVDs (beyond 1) show methods of having stable platforms in abnormal conditions, deal with calculating wind easily, do some more gear review showing gear they use (but also describing what is good about it (so you can buy similar gear if that is important to you but you are not interested in the brand) ), in addition to broken scope and techniques to deal with bottoming out on a scope.

Edit: also in regard to the horus scope, I have to say I was sold on the reticle after seeing the video. I originally thought it was way too much information crowding the scopes field of view, but can see the validity of it and quick follow up shots based on seeing hit placement. I don't think I would have believed it if I hadn't seen it in action.
 
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