why the 3030?

[fmb]

The question keeps coming up as to why someone would use a 30-30.
I hunt with my '94, 30-30 because my great grandfather did, and his son and his son. It gives me a connection to the past, my past. It's a traditon. I'm not limiting myself by using it. I know my abilities and those of the gun. I have passed on shots that were too far or that didn't feel right. Maybe I could have made a clean kill with a more powerful round, but just because there was one available doesn't mean I have to use it.
Some people need to talk less and listen more.

 

[8mmpeter]

doesn't get as easily deflected as a high speed high spin magnum round if it hits a twig on it's way to the target....

b.s.

 

[Superbrad]

The same time a 300Win Mag becomes a better choice than a 30-06!

Stand up straighter, some of this stuff maybe won't go right over your head!

Or maybe the masses are wrong & your always the right one

I can outshoot what most would consider a .30-30's reasonable range for use on game.... so can most people with decent optics... I can't outshoot a .30-06... nor do I have a range long enough to try to or a field long enough to hunt in to bother.... If that situation changes I may consider an "upgrade" to a .300 win mag.... or, like most, I may just go buy a .300 win mag tommorow because I can and I like guns...

 

[senior]

I can outshoot what most would consider a .30-30's reasonable range for use on game.... so can most people with decent optics... I can't outshoot a .30-06... nor do I have a range long enough to try to or a field long enough to hunt in to bother.... If that situation changes I may consider an "upgrade" to a .300 win mag.... or, like most, I may just go buy a .300 win mag tommorow because I can and I like guns...

You may not believe this but not all people need or desire optics
So your saying a 30-06 is perfect for your needs.
But a 30-30 can't be perfect for someone else's.....carry on!!!!

And around & around & around we go

 

[frumpy]

Yes... Every day I get down on my hands and knees and thank god as well as her majesty that I had the opportunity to shoot as well as the opportunity to spend 2 years of my life living in a wartorn s**thole... All the while sending my tax dollars back home...

You should have more respect for the military and those that have died so that people like you and your greedy unions can bankrupt the country...

Try to stay on topic...

 

[Superbrad]

You may not believe this but not all people need or desire optics
So your saying a 30-06 is perfect for your needs.
But a 30-30 can't be perfect for someone else's.....carry on!!!!

And around & around & around we go

Actually, I specifically said that a .30-30 is fine for it's intended purpose... I just don't see why someone would want to limit themselves to that purpose...

I also agree with you regarding optics... up to a point... 300 yards is a long shot with a set of irons!.... I am sure some will say they can hit a heart size target at that range with irons... I am just not one of them....

I have NEVER said a .30-30 is not good for anything... I was responding in regards to the OP... whos asked what the big draw of a .30-30 is....

 

[ninepointer]

See for me the way that i hunted deer was to either be a pusher or alternatively still hunt. For that a 30-06 has no benifit over a 30-30 because there is really no possibility to shoot over 100 yards in a swamp. Im getting a 7600 270 with a scope because i also now am hunting deer from stands in the hard woods where i can take shots around 200 yards if they are offered.

Ryan,

I expect you'll like the 7600. Like you, I do a lot of the dogging/pushing, for which I used to carry a Model 94. When on a stand/watch, I used my Model 70. The country I dog in is extremely thick, but is also broken up the occasional beaver pond or dry beaver meadow. Although such openings are infrequent, I started noticing that was where most of my shooting opportunities as a dogger were occuring, and I was sometimes left wishing I had something other than my iron sighted Model 94 in my hands when I was looking at deer over yonder.

Anyway, several years ago I got myself a Model 760 .308 with 1.5-4x scope, and I have never looked back. I now use that rifle both for dogging and when I am on a stand. I've since sold the M94 and even my beloved tack-driver M70 has been demoted to back-up gun.

For me changing my rifle, combined with adopting strategies that set up opportunities for me and my dogging partners, has truly paid off.

 

[senior]

Actually, I specifically said that a .30-30 is fine for it's intended purpose... I just don't see why someone would want to limit themselves to that purpose...

Maybe because that's what's required where they hunt!!!

I also agree with you regarding optics... up to a point... 300 yards is a long shot with a set of irons!.... I am sure some will say they can hit a heart size target at that range with irons... I am just not one of them....

Again, some don't hunt where 300yd shots are available, some don't even hunt where 100yd shots are available! Hard to believe eh

I have NEVER said a .30-30 is not good for anything... I was responding in regards to the OP... whos asked what the big draw of a .30-30 is....

The big draw is a 30-30 is more than adaquate & the 94 is more than adaquate & even prefered to a large portion of deer hunters in Ont.

You really do need to get out more

 

[Superbrad]

The big draw is a 30-30 is more than adaquate & the 94 is more than adaquate & even prefered to a large portion of deer hunters in Ont.

You really do need to get out more

I get out plenty.... lol... too much if you ask the wife....

I already said that 30-30 will do fine in it's intended range.... I hunt some pretty thick bush at times... and even I have areas where I stalk that offer some shots of even 400-500 yards in distance.... areas with bluffs etc.... I need something better....

I absolutely agree... that may not be everyone's experience.. or hunting method... I think those folks are limiting themselves but that is their business.... and in the end putting meat on the table is what it's all about.... I just think there is a better choice for most, if not all scenarios.... and that is MY opinion... We are all entitled to one...

 

[FLHTCUI]

Well apparently I have been told to stay on topic, Thank You Very Much and Thank You for Your Service while in the Forces, be it Canadian or Foreign.
So, why change something that aint broken " I have some old indian relatives of mine that swear by it for deer to moose. Ive even offered to buy one a 300 but,said he didnt need it! "
The guys can shoot it (30-30)and put meat on the table and doesnt feel the need to change. This I am sure has been said many times.
So does a 30-30 put any less or more meat on the table than say a remington 308 I guess we will see in a hundred years from now.
Shoot them if you got them.
Rob

 

[Why not?]

Your problem, Brad, has been not so much what you have been saying, but how you have been presenting yourself. Really, a trained military man knows better than that.

Frequent use of derogatory acronyms in your responses to posts made by others make it tough to take anything you say seriously. You don't have to prove anything to any of us here. Telling someone you are laughing your rear end off at their opinion, or especially their experience, is childish and won't make you many friends.

You write "not looking for a fight here", while continually provoking just that with an unyielding and condescending attitude. Calling people hypocrites is certainly not the best strategy to win a battle, which it has been abundantly evidently you feel you must do.

Having said all that, it is quite obvious in your more recent posts that you are trying to change your tack. Appreciate that, and feel like I am getting to know the real Brad.

Look forward to hearing more from you.
Ted

 

[Superbrad]

Your problem, Brad, is not so much what you have been saying, but how you have been presenting yourself. Really, a trained military man knows better than that.

Frequent use of derogatory acronyms in your responses to posts made by others in this thread make it tough to take anything you say seriously. You don't have to prove anything to any of us here. Telling someone you are laughing your rear end off at their opinion, or especially their experience, is childish and won't make you many friends.

You write that you are not looking for a fight here, while continually provoking just that with your condescending attitude. Calling people hypocrites is certainly not the best strategy to win a battle, which it has been abundantly evidently you feel you must do.

Having said all that, it is quite obvious in your more recent posts that you are trying to change your tack. Appreciate that, and feel like I am getting to know the real Brad.

Look forward to hearing more from you.
Ted

Thanks Ted.... have seen many of your posts and value your comments and experiences....

I agree that I have been harsh in some of my comments... I do have a temper at times and I must admit that being called a "poser" and having my military experience questioned really got my back up when I should have been the better person....

There are certain things we all hold near and dear to us and for me my life revolves around hunting and fishing and the outdoors... always has... as has been passed down through my family for many generations... I, like many others on here look forward to passing that tradition on to my two boys who are 7 years and 20 months of age..... I am proud of my service and I am proud of my family traditions as it is what, in my mind, identifies me as a person....

I apologize if I offended anyone...

cheers

 

[kamlooky]

So you are saying it's okay to use the turdy turdy and the turdy tew?

 

[Superbrad]

So you are saying it's okay to use the turdy turdy and the turdy tew?

LOL.... I never said it wasn't.....

 

[fmb]

LOL.... I never said it wasn't.....

You implied that the 30-30 wasn't "okay" by asking why someone would limit themselves to choosing it over some other cartridge. I gave my reasons for choosing it in #221. Many others have given their own reasons as well, but you keep asking the question...what do you want to hear?

 

[Superbrad]

You implied that the 30-30 wasn't "okay" by asking why someone would limit themselves to choosing it over some other cartridge. I gave my reasons for choosing it in #221. Many others have given their own reasons as well, but you keep asking the question...what do you want to hear?

It's a discussion forum... I appreciate your reasons... Ia m curious as to others... And can accept them even though I don't agree with all of them... Again... Was just defending mine... Perhaps a bit too adamantly as I said before....

 

[Moose Masher]

I like the 30-30 because of the 94, although I have to say I think one of the Ruger No. 1's in 30-30 would be pretty cool too.

My 94 was made the same year I was born, my Dad bought it new, probably the year after.

I guess I fall into the "because Dad/Grandad used it" category, but the 94 is such a slick little bush rifle it's hard not to love them.

I like mine sans optics, they carry so nicely with one hand wrapped around the reciever.

 

[Scuttlebutt]

I consider a hunting rifle to be a tool that I use to to accomplish a pre-determined goal, no different than a tool I would use to make a home repair. In my tool cabinet I have a mix of old and new, purchased and handed down.

I do however know that the tool choosen must be adequate to do the job. I could frame a wall with a 16 oz. hammer or a 22 oz. hammer, both will get the job done but one will have advantages over the other. Personal preference also comes into play. I know that I am more effeicient using a tool that I feel comfortable and confident with.

I have hunted deer with a few different rifles over the years but never felt comfortable and confident with them to a level I was satisfied with. I may have felt one or the other but something just wasn't "right".

Then, on a whim, I purchased a Marlin 336 in 30/30 to try out. The price was right and ammo readily available. The rifle fits my hands very well and my eye naturally and easily finds the sights when I shoulder it. The butt doesnt grab my jacket on the way up and my arms feel like they are in the right position when I am looking down the sights.

I find it as accurate as any other rifle I have hunted deer with, and it is a easy to carry on those days I spend 6 or 8 hours walking through the bush. There is no protruding knobs or scope to get hung up in the thick stuff, and if it breaks, I can get it fixed just about anywhere.

The bottom line is, I like it, it likes me, and it does the job that it is supposed to do without making me worry about the cost to use it, or if it gets a bit marked up or not.

 

[joe-nwt]

Brad, you brought this all on yourself. Here is the original question:

whats the big hype over the 30-30? I have some old indian relatives of mine that swear by it for deer to moose. Ive even offered to buy one a 300 but my uncle said he didnt need it! is it that its light weight and maneuverable or what? i see it has its place in deep brush but i could see a 4570 doing that better than a 3030.

Basically, the OP asks about the virtues of the 30-30. You proceded to post about the 30-30's shortcomings. Looking back, did you really think this thread would go any other way?

 

[Superbrad]

Brad, you brought this all on yourself. Here is the original question:



Basically, the OP asks about the virtues of the 30-30. You proceded to post about the 30-30's shortcomings. Looking back, did you really think this thread would go any other way?

Actually Joe... The OP posted that he does not see the virtues of the 30-30 and I posted because I agree with him and don't see the virtues.... and also disagree with the virtues posted... it's a discussion forum and as such I am entitled to my opinion.... and to post it as long as it is within rules and not hijacking a thread....

Here was my initial response in this thread... I did not post until several dozen posts later.... when someone made a statement that I wished to counter... and it all went downhill from there which was, indeed, partially my fault... as my apology stated....

Well... I'll put my opinion this way...

-Cavemen invented fire, they used rocks and twigs.....
-Eventually, the flint was invented
-Then was flint and solvents were coupled
-Then came the zippo Lighter
-The match was then invented
-The bic lighter was invented after that
-Now we have flameless lighters

To me, The 30-30 is like the match... not as efficient as the bic lighter but sometimes it's still really nice to use matches to light your cigar or the woodstove.... and they still do the job...

I like my more modern calibers (not a wsm guy etc.... but .30-06, .270.... better out to a distance, can mount a scope easily and a bit more knockdown and flatter shooting... I also liek bolt actions as they are more reliable... I am a bic lighter guy...

Then there are the flameless lighter types who think I am a relic and .30-30's are caveman tools....lol... go figure

Note how my initial response was about the virtues of the 30-30 as I see them.... I don't think I was unreasonable in my initial response Joe....