Self Defense Gun

[scrudeman]

Not a different world if you to live in Canada. You ARE justified in using lethal force IF {and it's a big IF} your LIFE or the LIVES of others are in eminent and immediate danger.
Some guy breaking into your house DOES NOT satisfy this test! In our story I challenge you to prove {as your lawyer would have to in court} that this persons LIFE was at risk. If you can't do that {which you can't BTW} the shooter is guilty of murder, perhaps in the 1st degree if the Judge accepts the Crown's argument of premeditated intent=20yrs.
Remember this isn't the States, OUR laws ARE different.
TRAGICALLY HIP song, you know it. "see my sister got raped, so a man got killed. LOCAL BOY WENT TO PRISON, man's buried on the hill" Just a simple example is it fair? It is our justice system though.
On a side note, I thank you for your concern of my well being and that of my family, however it's not necessary. {blip on the bottom of page 6} class act bud!

I do not mean to respond in a disrespectful manner plink, but wouldnt the prosecutors have just a difficult time of proving that the people werent in danger? In this story the intruder is dead and if he went through a window he broke, hes not there for a coffee. How would that story pan out differently if the assailant was cracked over the head with a baseball bat and died? The defendant would be legally just as guilty as if he shot the man. The assailant is in the house with intent to do something illegal, hes not going to want to talk about his intent, he needs to be stopped by any means. And if that means that someone has to go to prison to ensure that their family doesnt get hurt, well thats a risk that just about every man I know is willing to take.

I believe it is a basic human right to protect ones self from danger. Be it a predatory bear on a cut-line or an intruder in a house. I mean no person no harm, I am not a combative person, but I made a vow to protect my wife when I married her, and if in doing so I end up in a casket or a Jail cell, if my wife is safe than I did my job.

I find it sad that a person that inquires into a way to defend his family gets flamed. Thats not criminal intent, that is a father and a husband who cares for his family! I personally know of a middle-aged widow who was terrorized and held hostage by a 400lb prison escapee for several hours. If she could have shot him, she would have. And if a law dictated her unlawful to do so, I doubt it would have mattered to her.

I dont mean any disrespect to police officers, as I respect our law enforcement officers, and am friends with several, but does that apply to them as well? They carry weapons and those weapons are carried with the same intent as the gentleman inquiring into self defence. A un-named retired police officer once told me that he himself would rather stand before a judge and defend himself in a situation than see harm come to his family. And I agree with that man whole-heartedly!

Cheers guys and I hope to heck that none of you ever have to be in the situation where that kind of a decision has to be made!!!

Eric

 

[plinker 777]

I do not mean to respond in a disrespectful manner plink, but wouldnt the prosecutors have just a difficult time of proving that the people werent in danger? In this story the intruder is dead and if he went through a window he broke, hes not there for a coffee. How would that story pan out differently if the assailant was cracked over the head with a baseball bat and died? The defendant would be legally just as guilty as if he shot the man. The assailant is in the house with intent to do something illegal, hes not going to want to talk about his intent, he needs to be stopped by any means. And if that means that someone has to go to prison to ensure that their family doesnt get hurt, well thats a risk that just about every man I know is willing to take.

I believe it is a basic human right to protect ones self from danger. Be it a predatory bear on a cut-line or an intruder in a house. I mean no person no harm, I am not a combative person, but I made a vow to protect my wife when I married her, and if in doing so I end up in a casket or a Jail cell, if my wife is safe than I did my job.

I find it sad that a person that inquires into a way to defend his family gets flamed. Thats not criminal intent, that is a father and a husband who cares for his family! I personally know of a middle-aged widow who was terrorized and held hostage by a 400lb prison escapee for several hours. If she could have shot him, she would have. And if a law dictated her unlawful to do so, I doubt it would have mattered to her.

I dont mean any disrespect to police officers, as I respect our law enforcement officers, and am friends with several, but does that apply to them as well? They carry weapons and they are carried with the same intent. A un-named retired police officer once told me that he himself would rather stand before a judge and defend himself in a situation than see harm come to his family. And I agree with that man whole-heartedly

Very well said and I personally agree with 99% of what you have said and how you have said it. You sir are an intelligent man.
Where we disagree is the flaming of the OP. He started off stating that over the years he has owned many handguns and then carried on to the ridiculous question. Flaming well earned IMO.
For those that have a hard on to shoot someone I would suggest that they join the French Foreign Legion the opportunity will no doubt arise.
In Canada defending yourself and your family is acknowledged and you will be redeemed in court if you were honestly in danger.
If however you are the sort to "spray and prey" at everything that goes bump in the night you have no business living in our society. You {and by you I don't mean you personally} are a danger to yourself and others, you are not a responsible gun owner and I would question your mental state.
It is indeed individuals that fit this mould that the ANTI's highlight at every opportunity making things difficult for the rest of the legal and morally grounded individuals who enjoy owning and shooting guns for sport to do so unencumbered by ridiculous laws.

 

[misanthropist]

"OK" I am looking for some advice, I have owned alot of hand guns in my day like so many of you, shooting for sport and play, but I have been resently reminded that each of us needs to be prepare (No worries, but could have been really bad) So I am asking you for help. Looking for a hand gun for self defence (In My Home) (If I ever need it!!!!) Need a recomendation to serve the purpose. Would like the solution for low light conditions as well. Thanks for your time in advance......

Not a different world if you to live in Canada. You ARE justified in using lethal force IF {and it's a big IF} your LIFE or the LIVES of others are in eminent and immediate danger.
Some guy breaking into your house DOES NOT satisfy this test!

That doesn't have much of anything to do with the OP, who asked for advice on a defensive handgun in the event that he needs it. There is NOTHING illegal about that.

The automatic assumption that he is out to kill people or that he is in some way planning a criminal act instead of legitimately being interested in having the capacity to protect himself is bizarre and a depressing reflection of the pitiful mentality of some gun owners in this country.

Man, this is one of the bleakest threads I can remember on this site.

 

[TightGroup]

Plinker out! Hope this helped!

Actually it did help alot. I now know why we have some of the most restrictive laws for Fire Arms. Please reread your comment. oh BTW CFO never asked and no reason needs to be given. I do not need to justify my purchases or my choice of property to anyone.

Asking what is the best way to defend yourself is a very legitimate question and bears no malice or intent. Again rethink your position on this,

 

[plinker 777]

Actually it did help alot. I now know why we have some of the most restrictive laws for Fire Arms. Please reread your comment. oh BTW CFO never asked and no reason needs to be given. I do not need to justify my purchases or my choice of property to anyone.

Asking what is the best way to defend yourself is a very legitimate question and bears no malice or intent. Again rethink your position on this,

You quite obviously don't even own a restricted firearm

 

[wylecoyote]

Interesting!
SAM FISHER makes alot of sense, others do not(to me)

I'm not a lawyer and correct me if I'm wrong, but given a senario like some described here, I believe that if one did end up in court defending oneself against charges, you would have to prove NOT that your life was in danger, but that you BELIEVED that your life was in danger. Given some of the news stories of late, it is understandable that if someone breaks into your house while you are inside(HOME INVASION) you might have very good reason to BELIEVE that your life is in danger.
seems like gun owners are being targeted(no pun intended) maybe having a database of where all the legal guns are being stored legaly is not a good idea

check me if I'm wrong Sandy but if we kill all the golfers, there gonna lock me up and throw away the key

 

[maurice]

I believe the op mention a defensive firearm....not one to be used for murder. Self defence, not pre planned murder. Unreal how some nancy sissies get all in a panic about the op asking a question.

 

[sillymike]

OK, to get back on subject...

A handgun wouldn't my first choice for a SD tool at home, but since we're in the handgun section I guess the OP would like some handgun suggestion.

Personally, for a pure SD scenario the firearm needs to meet some basic criteria.

- Enough power to deal with the biggest/meanest threat you might encounter
- Reliable
- Easy to operate
- Can be operate by any member of my household.

A Ruger SRH fit the bill.

- Pretty simple to operate
- The spouse can handle/operate it
- I am not concerned by over penetration, as long as it goes through the zombies... no matter what kind of clothes they have one.

If we still have a problem after 6 rounds, it will confirm that I really should have pickup the long gun instead...

 

[TightGroup]

You quite obviously don't even own a restricted firearm

Tell me what this has to do with asking a question about self defense ??

 

[Wendell]

Tell me what this has to do with asking a question about self defense ??

If you did, you'd already know.

 

[Onagoth]

Holy f**k...this is a gun forum people! A guy can't ask about the best self-defense gun?

Owning a gun within the secondary intention of using it for self-defense is not a crime! To my knowledge its not even a crime to own it with the primary intention of using it for self-defense, though the CFO may try to cancel your registration.

 

[tzclark]

Anyone who owns a gun, and thinks they wouldnt shoot then ask question if thier family was in possible danger is full of it. As a father with young children, I have no problem saying a intruder would see a fireball from the end of my mossberg.

 

[TightGroup]

If you did, you'd already know.

There is some serious education needed here.

1. What I own will never be discussed in any forum.. CLEAR !
2. I can defend my home very well with a nice shotgun
3. Home defense is a legitimate activity
4. Asking how to defend family/oneself is not demonstrating an intent to commit a crime, since self defense is a legal activity.
5. AS far as I know Knowledge is not YET banned in this country
6. Lets not start fighting among ourselves, we have enough of the antis and every other nut job out there trying to strip us of guns and rights
7. I would however propose a thread on self defense where we can address the issues (legal, regulatory, activity, strategy, tactics, etc etc)

 

[TightGroup]

Holy f**k...this is a gun forum people! A guy can't ask about the best self-defense gun?

Owning a gun within the secondary intention of using it for self-defense is not a crime! To my knowledge its not even a crime to own it with the primary intention of using it for self-defense, though the CFO may try to cancel your registration.

You are correct, we do NOT need to justify the reasons of ownership, though the antis try to push this upon us.