Self Defense Gun

R700 said:
I ain't afraid of midnight dwellers though. I am CF. I am all the defence i need. Check out HMV Tinkerbell, they're blowing out old Bruce Lee movies and Harry Potter Movies. Learn the kung fu skills needed so this atrocity doesn't repeat and learn the wizard spells to bring back the deceased. Flame on, flame on. I will burn all day long. That's my right. i defend freedoms so i can say what i want from the safety of my non personal defence weapon system household.Kkkkkaaaaarrrrraaatttttteeee Cccccchhhhhhooooppppppppppppp.(karate chop)

ps Tinkerbell... I man the f@ck up for the both us and do take a stand, especially for people like you, Tinkerbell.
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Now that was a weird post. So you're CF? Whoop-dee-do. A lot of us on here are serving or ex CF. I have no idea how a question about using a handgun for home defence got you going off on your rant about kung fu. Strange. To be honest, you sound like a lunatic. Or maybe you were just drunk. Or stoned. Or both?

Anyway, back to the question - many posters have said it. If you're going to use a gun to defend yourself here in Canada, you'd better be able to demonstrate that your life or the lives of your immediate family were in immediate danger.

Assuming you ARE, in fact, in immediate, life-threatening danger, I'd pick a shotgun you're familiar with, ideally with a light on it. If I were to go with a handgun, it would be a Glock 19 or 20, with night sights, just because I shoot well with both, and wouldn't want to have to worry about manual safeties in a high-stress situation.

I'm personally a fan of big dogs and sturdy locks, so I doubt I'll ever need to make this decision...
 
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R700 said:
these are the kinda posts that get flamed and to the original poster, c'mon this is the kinda sh@t that gives pistol users a bad rap.100% of the responses are going to be from peoples mouths who have never needed to use a firearm in self defence and are getting home defence tips from youtube.Try some kung fu lessons. The last i looked you live in canada... not the province of Kandahar. No matter how hard your hood is, nothing a nice lock and an alarm system can't fix.

Next time you register your personal defence weapon system, run that by the CFO so we can get people like you to do the right thing and turn your paranoid owning firearms in. Lay off the 6 oclock news and if things are that bad in your area where you need to "cap some @ss in your sleep" then rent some chuck norris videos and practice high kicks. I will always flame these posts. Shame on all how respond with advice on pistols for home defence:HR:
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Shame on me.. and my 12 Guage, Winchester Defender, loaded with 00 Buckshot. At the risk of being even more "shameful," possibly bordering on down right naughty - if it were legal - I'd use a 9mm, or larger, handgun with hollow points.
 
Recently acquired an old wingmaster sporting a 20 inch barrel for this purpose. Petzl headlamp to keep hands free. Cheap 00 Buckshot. Should do the trick.

I'm a decent shot with a handgun, but not good enough to trust my life to one. Plus the wife doesn't have her RPAL, so a handgun would not work for her on the nights I am away.
 
I think my preference would be a glock with night sights...maybe a weapon light, but not really needed.

also have decent hornady hollow point ammo, and a spare mag...

I would not rule out a revolver...most self defense shootings involve less that 6 rounds and you don't ha e to worry about jams
 
bollox said:
Your idea of storing a handgun is a lot different than mine.

If I chose to, I could have a gun out of my safe and loaded in well under 10seconds. And yes, all legally stored.
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My sister has a kid . my ammo is locked up too. better safe then sorry. better to have more safety then less.
 
your pistol can be locked in your safe, unloaded with a loaded magazine next to it. You should have a flashlight and phone nearby.
You should lock your doors and make sure your lighting outsided is good. If you live rural, take note of unfamiliar vehicles in your driveway. Alarm system only tells you if there could be an entry, ...it does nothing after that.
Personally, I would punch in the code to my safe, load my gun and then call the police if I was the victim of an break and enter,..at that time fearing for my family. I would not likely venture into my house to clear it unless they were going for my guns and ammo in storage.
 
In general I think that is wise although people with kids may be in the situation of having to get to their kids' rooms to ensure their safety.

Holing up in your room with a shotgun is great IF there's nobody out there you value more than yourself.

As far as a defensive gun goes, I think any reliable 9mm or up should fit the bill. I would also want night sights, a light, and, ideally, a laser.

I keep a Glock 17 with night sights and a light locked up and next to a loaded mag. I do not remotely agree that a light on your gun is a bad idea.

A light on a defensive gun is all but mandatory IMO. Having a light on your gun does not prevent you from having a handheld. You must train with it in order to use it correctly, but that is the same with guns, period. If you do not train seriously with your guns, frankly you should probably question whether you really are going to be effective in the event of an emergency anyway.

Definitely if you are the kind of person who can't handle lighting something up and then discovering you can't shoot it, or who can't see a sudden image without blowing holes in it, you should not have a light on your gun. Or a gun.

Training is the key here...there are a lot more people who are good at owning guns than at using them.
 
So is conspiring to shoot and kill someone, and that is exactly what the OP wants to know. Asking on an open forum for the most effective instrument for that "job". It may not be illegal, but it certainly is incriminating as is shows intent should the worst case scenario be played out. No small wonder the ANTI's want us disarmed, don't play this game....we'll all lose.
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Hey Nimrod!!! If I go and buy fire insurance and ask which is the best policy I am showing intent to commit a crime.. Are U serious ???

Protection of ones self is NOT a crime in Canada. Drop the Lieberal Kool Aid your starting to get infected. This is exactly the game to play. WE have a right to self defense
 
Hey; it's Plinker777 not Nimrod there Tighta$$....I mean group. I'll answer your question.
Yes I am serious....it's called criminal intent....check with a lawyer. I'm not infected with "Lieberal" {Liberal????? sic} Kool Aid.......But I'm not so stupid not to understand that perhaps, just perhaps the Judge, Crown Prosecuting Attorney and Public Opinion may not work to your favor should the worst case scenario be played out.....friendly advise really.
You are correct on one point though...we can protect ourselves and defend ourselves, just not with our target practice toys....cause there all locked up right!???:HR:.....that's all I got bud.
 
littleshooter,

I tend to lean towards a semi auto, because they are generally easier/quicker to load from the unloaded, locked state we ware required to keep them in.
 
Tuco Pike said:
The only handgun you can use in Canada for self defense is the one on the Police Officer's hip. When you need one, it should be there just in time to confirm your corpse as being dead.
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That's not quite what's I have been told by a lawyer...

- We are talking about last ditch self defence. There are no rules as to which type of weapon/object you can use to protect your life.
- While the CFO/RCMP might (will) give you a hard time if your stated purpose for the transfer/buying of a restricted is "self defence"... that purpose is still in the book and still technically available.

And in all honesty, if/when some zombie come crashing trough my house threatening my life or that of a loved one... I will not care about any rules and regulations and will use whichever tool is the most readily available to put a stop to the threat.

I'm not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV), that is just my uneducated decision. From my point of view, it is easier (better) to worry about lawyer fees/public opinion/media then to bring a loved one back from the dead.
 
Hey; it's Plinker777 not Nimrod there Tighta$$....I mean group. I'll answer your question.
Yes I am serious....it's called criminal intent....check with a lawyer. I'm not infected with "Lieberal" {Liberal????? sic} Kool Aid.......But I'm not so stupid not to understand that perhaps, just perhaps the Judge, Crown Prosecuting Attorney and Public Opinion may not work to your favor should the worst case scenario be played out.....friendly advise really.
You are correct on one point though...we can protect ourselves and defend ourselves, just not with our target practice toys....cause there all locked up right!???.....that's all I got bud.
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Hey buddy start making sense here, Is it a criminal act to defend oneself = answer no so then HOw do you suppose there is criminal intent on asking a question for an action that is LEGAL ??
 
sillymike said:
And in all honesty, if/when some zombie come crashing trough my house threatening my life or that of a loved one... I will not care about any rules and regulations and will use whichever tool is the most readily available to put a stop to the threat.

I'm not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV), that is just my uneducated decision. From my point of view, it is easier (better) to worry about lawyer fees/public opinion/media then to bring a loved one back from the dead.
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Well said. My family comes before anybody, or anything else in this world. Says me, Mr. Smith, Mr. Wesson, Mr. Ruger and Mr. Browning. Period.
 
TightGroup said:
Hey buddy start making sense here, Is it a criminal act to defend oneself = answer no so then HOw do you suppose there is criminal intent on asking a question for an action that is LEGAL ??
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OMG!!!!......Let's give you a run down scenario {I'll go slow}. So you want to know what is the BEST weapon to kill someone with if they break into your house {again, this is your intent if someone breaks into your house. This is clear premeditated criminal intent, and you've asked the question on an open forum.}
Someone replies that the Smith and Wesson 500 is the right tool for the job.
So you purchase said restricted hand gun and register it to your name. While talking the CFO you will note that none of the questions they ask have anything to do with self defence. "reason for owning firearm, collector or target practice?" {tell you what, next time your transferring a fire arm to your name, tell them that "no, I'm not a collector, and it's not for target practice as i don't belong to a club......MY reason is for self defence....god help the motherf$#%er who breaks into my place!"....see how the CFO respond, but I digress.
So, you now have the 500 at home legally{assuming that you've answered the CFO properly} and the worst happens.....3:00 am you hear glass break someones coming through a window. You go for your gun {not even going to get into how it was stored although it will be of utmost importance later in court} you fire at the silhouette with your mighty S&W 500 and he drops on your floor dead.
What now!!!????....911, right? So the cops are there and yes you will be arrested. WHY! you ask "I'm allowed to defend myself in this country!" you say! TRUE, however killing someone is not in the deal. NO MATTER HOW YOU SPIN IT, NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANSES. YOU HAVE JUST KILLED SOMEONE AND YES, IT IS ILLEGAL and as such YOU WILL BE ARRESTED.
If your understanding is that self defence is legal then you wouldn't be arrested. the emergency responders would merely gather up the body, clean up the mess and leave you to board up the window and go back to sleep.
That simply isn't the reality....you wouldn't be doing much sleeping that night I'll bet as you'd be in jail awaiting to see a Judge after being processed by the police and being "put in the system".
So now lawyers get involved and start asking questions around why you have a gun in the first place and why a 500 of all guns? {none of your "f-ing business" is the wrong answer BTW} it only makes them dig deeper, you know like facebook, twitter, CGN and the like to ascertain your "headspace" as it were. LO and BEHOLD!!! not only was this guy PLANNING to shoot someone if they broke into his house. HE ASKED AND RECIEVED ADVICE AS TO WHAT THE BEST CHOISE OF FIREARM TO USE TO KILL A PERSON! and HE FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THAT ADVISE!!
For your sake I hope the "B&E guy" in our fictitious story was well armed, had a violent history and was well known to police, even still it would be and uphill legal argument, and I submit that as these actions were premeditated on your part you would serve time in prison albeit not the full extent of penalty.

Plinker out! Hope this helped!
 
Wow, plink, you live in different world.

Self defense is a RIGHT, Protection of a family is a RESPONSIBILITY regardless of the governmental rules you hide behind so adamantly.

Good luck if that 3:00am scenario happens to you. Call 911 and wait. We'll see your story as a blip on the bottom of page 6.
 
bollox said:
Wow, plink, you live in different world.

Self defense is a RIGHT, Protection of a family is a RESPONSIBILITY regardless of the governmental rules you hide behind so adamantly.

Good luck if that 3:00am scenario happens to you. Call 911 and wait. We'll see your story as a blip on the bottom of page 6.
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Not a different world if you to live in Canada. You ARE justified in using lethal force IF {and it's a big IF} your LIFE or the LIVES of others are in eminent and immediate danger.
Some guy breaking into your house DOES NOT satisfy this test! In our story I challenge you to prove {as your lawyer would have to in court} that this persons LIFE was at risk. If you can't do that {which you can't BTW} the shooter is guilty of murder, perhaps in the 1st degree if the Judge accepts the Crown's argument of premeditated intent=20yrs.
Remember this isn't the States, OUR laws ARE different.
TRAGICALLY HIP song, you know it. "see my sister got raped, so a man got killed. LOCAL BOY WENT TO PRISON, man's buried on the hill" Just a simple example is it fair? It is our justice system though.
On a side note, I thank you for your concern of my well being and that of my family, however it's not necessary. {blip on the bottom of page 6} class act bud!
 
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