Self Defense Gun

Hi Guys ...I am truly sorry for asking this question, thanks to the people that did not Hi Jack my thread with interesting ideas of what they thought I meant or what my intension are and going to be. Comments like "first off I've noticed you live in Peterborough so relax. Get some professional help and perhaps some medication would help as well. " why would you attack a person for asking a question. I understand that the thread has taken a different twist, and just for information, I do have a DOG and a Home Alarm system by " CounterForce" that did not do "####!!!!!!" and their response time sucks. I have said enough....Have fun with it......
 
littleshooter said:
Hi Guys ...I am truly sorry for asking this question, thanks to the people that did not Hi Jack my thread with interesting ideas of what they thought I meant or what my intension are and going to be. Comments like "first off I've noticed you live in Peterborough so relax. Get some professional help and perhaps some medication would help as well. " why would you attack a person for asking a question. I understand that the thread has taken a different twist, and just for information, I do have a DOG and a Home Alarm system by " CounterForce" that did not do "####!!!!!!" and their response time sucks. I have said enough....Have fun with it......
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Don't sweat it OP it was a valid question.
 
littleshooter said:
"OK" I am looking for some advice, I have owned alot of hand guns in my day like so many of you, shooting for sport and play, but I have been resently reminded that each of us needs to be prepare (No worries, but could have been really bad) So I am asking you for help. Looking for a hand gun for self defence (In My Home) (If I ever need it!!!!) Need a recomendation to serve the purpose. Would like the solution for low light conditions as well. Thanks for your time in advance......
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Any handgun you can buy legally, that can be fitted with good tritium night sights, with capacity of at least 5 rounds, at the very least with the power of .38 spl +P caliber and that you can shoot well. IMO, a Glock 17 and similar semi-auto or a Ruger GP100 4.2 inch barrel and similar revolvers.

However, your best weapon is your brain. You must be prepared physically and mentally to do whatever it takes to defend your loved ones.
 
Most folks who look at the CONCEPT (I'm conceptualizing here- honest :D ) of a pistol for defensive uses work for police departments (fairly logical) they arrive at a conclusion that meets 3 basic standards:

1) Reliable
2) Easy to use under EXTREME stress
3) Affordable

Most Police Officers end up with a plastic striker fired gun, in a medium calibre (whichever one you can shoot best - 9mm is the cheapest to practise with, and despite a ton of nonsense will stop things quickly if properly aimed-see point about practise). Most of these guns are equipped with a light mounting rail, and many, many professional gun carriers use the Sure Fire X300 weapon light. Pistols for "things that go bump in the night" should ALWAYS be fitted with a light - remember "know your target"? if you can't identify the target as a threat due to poor lighting, you could set the scene for a tragedy. When using a light, night sights aren't a necessity. Then, get some training - regardless of how long you've been shooting, find someone who will stress the crap out of you and show you how to deal with the adrenaline, the tunnel vision, the restricted breathing and all of the other fun stuff that can happen when another human being is trying to end your existance, and you're trying to prevent them.
 
enefgee said:
Most folks who look at the CONCEPT (I'm conceptualizing here- honest :D ) of a pistol for defensive uses work for police departments (fairly logical) they arrive at a conclusion that meets 3 basic standards:

1) Reliable
2) Easy to use under EXTREME stress
3) Affordable

Most Police Officers end up with a plastic striker fired gun, in a medium calibre (whichever one you can shoot best - 9mm is the cheapest to practise with, and despite a ton of nonsense will stop things quickly if properly aimed-see point about practise). Most of these guns are equipped with a light mounting rail, and many, many professional gun carriers use the Sure Fire X300 weapon light. Pistols for "things that go bump in the night" should ALWAYS be fitted with a light - remember "know your target"? if you can't identify the target as a threat due to poor lighting, you could set the scene for a tragedy. When using a light, night sights aren't a necessity. Then, get some training - regardless of how long you've been shooting, find someone who will stress the crap out of you and show you how to deal with the adrenaline, the tunnel vision, the restricted breathing and all of the other fun stuff that can happen when another human being is trying to end your existance, and you're trying to prevent them.
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You don't want to cover with your muzzle anything other than your target.
How are You going to accomplish that with the light attached to your gun?
Especially with the high stress level and such?
Daughter running and screaming from behind the corner at You?
Well, guess what?
Now You have to point a gun at her....cause You need to verify your target.
You better learn how to use a flashlight.
 
on the flip side nestor, try and operate a pistol, flashlight and a telephone.... the pistol mounted light is a compromise, is it optimal... NO, but communication is as important as figuring things out
 
littleshooter said:
Hi Guys...I am truly sorry for asking this question
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If your question was sincere, rather that just trolling (as was suspected), you could take some of your valuable time and try reading some existent threads where the very topic has come under discussion. This topic has been discussed as much as best gun for bear defense and best gun for zombie defense. Really, it's all been said before, and it's there for you and everybody to read. If you care.

Try the CCW Discussion Forum.
<http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=141>
 
TinkerBell said:
on the flip side nestor, try and operate a pistol, flashlight and a telephone.... the pistol mounted light is a compromise, is it optimal... NO, but communication is as important as figuring things out
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I can operate the pistol and flashlight and I'm not a super man.
I will leave the phone for my wife though.
It's all about the plan and execution.
You can't really realize how limited your body functions will be under heavy stress...until You actually experience it.
I would strongly suggest to anyone to sign up for reality based training - something like this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUOJVPiHM_4
For me personally this way an eye-opener.
If You think about pointing your gun at the people while being under heavy stress...think again.
It takes a lot of training to be able to control yourself.
 
All the home invasion stories I can recall, if you read between the lines involved drugs/crime/gangs in various combinations. They aren't random acts of violence. They are somebody looking for something specific from someone specific, or payback. The chances of an average citizen being a victim of a violent home invasion are less than that of a big lottery win. Yes, there's the "Better to have and not need" camp, and if it helps you sleep better at night, no harm. Be sure not to compromise the safety of family and friends with inadequate storage or experience.
 
Exmilitary said:
Why use restricted guns when you can use non restricted for defence.
Canada's laws are not loose like the US.
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When You sit on your ass pointing your shotgun at the door and waiting for the cavalry to arrive I would agree. Scattergun will serve You the best.
However when You are forced to move your ass across the tight corridor, clear some corners and such to extract your family members from the different bedrooms to one, safe location...well try to do that with the shotgun.
 
be2man said:
All the home invasion stories I can recall, if you read between the lines involved drugs/crime/gangs in various combinations. They aren't random acts of violence. They are somebody looking for something specific from someone specific, or payback. The chances of an average citizen being a victim of a violent home invasion are less than that of a big lottery win. Yes, there's the "Better to have and not need" camp, and if it helps you sleep better at night, no harm. Be sure not to compromise the safety of family and friends with inadequate storage or experience.
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So You are from Ontario?
http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/michele_mandel/2011/03/30/17814876.html
Tell her your story. I'm sure she's going to be impressed.
 
Don't place any faith in the police response time, I had to call the police on my ex once she was a threat to her self and she sliced my hand open. Nearest cop station by my house, 30 seconds or less driving. Actual time before they got there, at least ten minutes while I tried to stop her from driving away and received more punishment in the process. As for the OP's original question, there is no doubt in my mind a 12 gauge and or pistol your best option to counter the threat during the event of an invasion. My preferences would be the benelli supernova tactical and a glock 21. Nothing like buckshot and ten rounds of 45 acp at close range.
 
be2man said:
All the home invasion stories I can recall, if you read between the lines involved drugs/crime/gangs in various combinations. They aren't random acts of violence. They are somebody looking for something specific from someone specific, or payback. The chances of an average citizen being a victim of a violent home invasion are less than that of a big lottery win. Yes, there's the "Better to have and not need" camp, and if it helps you sleep better at night, no harm. Be sure not to compromise the safety of family and friends with inadequate storage or experience.
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the vast majority are targeted crimes, no doubt.

The targets however, can vary from the drugs/gangs motive to something as simple as 'you have something I want, and I know it'- as simple as a coworker in a factory overhearing that you got a fancy new toy, which they want and can't afford, or choose to not acquire legally, who might be prone to taking the things he wants instead, can trigger the same thing. It's happened.

Of course it's less common than the drugs/gangs issue, but even criminals get the wrong address sometimes.
 
TinkerBell said:
so your canadian forces and you man up for both of us... your armed at the very least with a c7 rifle or bigger... and you brag here that you man up for both of us. and that Karate will defeat all attackers.... have you read the news as of late ?? gangbangers are doing home invasion wearing body armor and carrying weapons, at the very least I want to have an equal footing weapon wise with the people attacking me.

I am old and disabled, karate fighting will not work for me, same as it will not work for my grandparents or my parents.... I can show someone how to reliably operate a firearm within a few range sessions, martial arts takes a lifetime to master.



do some defensive pistol shooting in your area if available, we practice no light and low light shooting in out indoor range... both with weapon lights and handheld flashlights, we have also done the above scenarios with a "telephone" in hand to show how hard it is.

the end all be all of your home is going to be get all your family in one place, do not activly seek the attacker... protect your own and bunker in and await a police response.....
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Don't be so hard on R700, he wears a uniform that is loosely attached to the role of "protecting" Canadian citizens. I'm not speaking ill of our service members, but using your place of employment as some kind of validation for your opinion is stupid. The CF has cooks, dentists, accountants, mechanics, musicians, etc etc. Not everyone in the military is a hard charging special forces ninja commando like R700 seems to think he is. Honestly, he could be, and that's great if he is. But that doesn't help the rest of the population if or when they are the victim of a violent crime.

I'm all with tinkerbell. Man up and look after yourself. Sadly it seems many on this site and many in general are more concerned/scared of the law than of being a victim(voluntarily I might add) of a violent crime. Rolling over and playing dead didn't work for three plane loads of people on 9/11 and its never worked out well for a bear attack either. You can't win by being defensive, and you sure as hell can't win by relying on others.

TDC
 
No Offense Be2man....but you don't know what your are talking about......2 in 4 days in our city in nice family areas, one with a person threatning with a knife while there kids watched them steal there family stuff. I am no drug guy and have 2 kids and a wife. They broke in 30 feet from where I was sleeping and robbed me.
 
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