Team Hoser HG match Mar. 4th

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Registration/Sign up for the March 4th handgun match is now open and is tentatively limited to 30 shooters. (5 squads of 6)
Match will be held indoors at Guelph Rod and Gun
Shooting begins at 09:00
$25 entry fee payable via EMT to

teamhoser@cogeco.ca

Squad list will appear HERE
The March 31st match will be held at Colby and will be a low light/no light handgun event.
Sign up will open AFTER the results for the March 4th match are posted.

Other match dates are posted HERE
 
Those who particpate take note..

The Division rules for handgun only matches have been "tweeked" from the original ODPL rules...

Other ODPL "teams" may choose to run with the original set, but at GRGC and Colby we're changing it up a little...

The changes shouldn't materially affect shooters already shooting in what was known as CDP/SSP/ESP etc...
The names have changed but the criteria remains essentially the same albeit a little simpler.

In an effort to become more inclusionary when it comes to the types of pistols people are shooting Team Hoser has added what we're calling "Modified" div.

Here's what the new Div. look like:

There are five handgun divisions.

1. Double Action

- Pistol must be 9mm (9x19) or larger calibre.
- Pistol is double action, DA/SA or striker fired.
- Pistol must fit in the gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8” with an empty magazine inserted.



2. Single Action Minor

- Pistol must be no larger than .40S&W cal.
- Pistol must be single action.
- Pistol must fit in the gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8” with an empty magazine inserted.



3. Single Action Major
- Pistol must be .45acp or 10mm Auto or “larger”
- Pistol must be single action
- Pistol must fit in the gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8” with an empty magazine inserted.



5. Revolver
- Revolvers must be 9mm (9x19) or larger.
- Revolvers may have a maximum barrel length of six inches.
- Revolvers do not have to fit in the gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8”



4. Modified

- Pistol must be a minimum of 9mm 9x19
- Pistol does not have to fit in the gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8" with an empty magazine inserted.

- The following modifications are allowed only in Modified Division:
- Ported barrels, enlarged magazine wells



The following modifications are explicitly allowed in all divisions:

- Changed or altered grips
- Changed or altered sights (of the same type that came with the gun)
- Cosmetic changes without competitive advantage
- Minor changes to improve the normal functioning of the gun, such as polishing feed ramps, chamfering cylinders, polishing/improving mag releases and so on

anything that does render the gun unsafe or bring a material competitive advantage.



The following modifications are explicitly prohibited in all divisions:

- The disabling of any safety device ie pinning of grip safeties.



The whole ruleset is >>> HERE
 
667 said:
Here's what the new Div. look like:


3. Single Action Major
- Pistol must be .45acp or 10mm Auto or “larger”
- Pistol must be single action
- Pistol must fit in the gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8” with an empty magazine inserted.
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Soooo, a 1911 - .45 8 rounder is in the same category as a 10 round .45? Or is there still a designated CDP category with a max 8 round mag? The only cdp I see on your site is "Canadian Defensive Pistol"
 
Rule set is somewhat vague on modifications. For example, are weighted guide rods, weighted grips, laser sights allowed in double action?
 
Onagoth said:
Rule set is somewhat vague on modifications. For example, are weighted guide rods, weighted grips, laser sights allowed in double action?
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Not really...
Yes you can change grips...
No you can't use lasers... Unless the gun came from the factory with a laser
Weighted guide rods aren't mentioned, but.. I aint gonna be pulling guys guns apart to check...
Gamers gonna game... But they'll still lose to the guy who spends his $ on ammo instead of gadgets to "improve" his gun.

The following modifications are explicitly allowed in all divisions:
-******** Changed or altered grips
-******** Changed or altered sights (of the same type that came with the gun)
-******** Cosmetic changes without competitive advantage
-******** Minor changes to improve the normal functioning of the gun, such as polishing feed ramps, chamfering cylinders, polishing/improving mag releases and so on*
***** anything that does render the gun unsafe or bring a material competitive advantage.
*
The following modifications are explicitly prohibited in all divisions:
-** The disabling of any safety device ie pinning of grip safeties.
*
 
so anyone with either a 9mm, 38 super & .40 1911 SA gun can be in either "double action" and "single action minor" divisions ? so long as they fit in the box? and which one they go is who's decision ?

re: modification division, are ipsc Open division style guns (with multi ports and c-more sight) permitted ? if so, how is merely having a magwell on you gun put you on same level of competitivness with this open style gun ? Not sure if this is accurate, if so, possibly re-thinking this one may be a fair thing.

and pinning of grip safety is not allowed ? Hmm, how come ? many people do so on a 1911 and never an issue and there is a thumb safety, so still has a safety of some kind, putting them in same category as other guns with decocker or also thumb safety of some kind... glocks don't have safety... , Just IMHO, this should be reconsidered as well...
My friendly 2 cents.. It's your game and I enjoyed last match and I'm sure I have a gun to fit in one of these categories and looking forward to the next match...
 
667 said:
No.
A ten round .45 won't fit the box so it's in "modified"
An 8 rnd .45 is SA major...
CDP is now SA Major...
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My EAA Match is a double stack 45 so I think it would fit in the box (fits in ipsc standard box anyways)
I had always used my 8-rd 1911 as I was just up against other guys in CDP. looks like now I would be lumped into SA Major with the .40 guys with 10 rounds. Time to drop the 1911 I guess.
 
colt45gunner said:
so anyone with either a 9mm, 38 super & .40 1911 SA gun can be in either "double action" and "single action minor" divisions
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no.
if its da or striker fired its in da.
if sa... its in sa minor and up to .40
if 45/10mm and sa its sa major.

re read... its very simple...
maybe too simple...

there are no optic sights in any div...
the modified div is there for people who might be running a double stacked gun that is too thick to fit the box... or their magwell makes the gun fail a box test.

think an ipsc standard gun....
 
dunsforo said:
My EAA Match is a double stack 45 so I think it would fit in the box (fits in ipsc standard box anyways)
I had always used my 8-rd 1911 as I was just up against other guys in CDP. looks like now I would be lumped into SA Major with the .40 guys with 10 rounds. Time to drop the 1911 I guess.
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there are no .40's in sa major!!!!

the only guns in sa major are .45's with 8 rnd mags or 10mm's

keep your 45.... the only thing thats changed for you is tge name of tge div

look... if anyone cant figure it out name/describe your pistol and we'll tell you what div it fits and why.
 
667 said:
there are no .40's in sa major!!!!
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You're right you cranky old fart. I was flipping back and forth and read it as .40 as minimum for SA- major (ipsc minded I guess)

I don't see anything about 8 rd maximum, but I will adhere to the spirit of the genre and stick to it. Thanks.
 
JD Spanner said:
If I start the COF with my 8 rounder can I reload with a 10 rounder.
I don't see anything in the rules to say otherwise.
Spanner
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Sure... But then you're either DQ'd or bump'd into 'Modified' because your gun no longer fits the box.

The rules say.. "Pistol must fit in the gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8” with an empty magazine inserted."

'Doesn't say... "When" during the match or CoF the pistol must fit ;)

The original ODPL rule book worded it more clearly, but... few people ever bothered to read the rules anyway...

Under CDP:
Have magazines loaded to a maximum of eight (8) rounds. Competitors must use the
same capacity magazines throughout the competition1.and further to the above:
1 For example, if you start with a 7 round magazine, you must use magazines of the same
capacity throughout the match.

I suppose now someone will suggest that the "empty magazine" used for the box test could be any magazine... ie slip a walther ppk mag up into your 1911

I mean... the rules say "Pistol must fit in the gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8” with an empty magazine inserted."

It doesn't say the mag has to actually be designed for the gun being tested.

But that is covered under Penalties...


All the gamey-ness for the sake of two extra shots is almost rendered moot through our stage design...
Another thing not written in the rules is that unless otherwise stipulated during the stage briefing all competetors start the stage loaded to max capacity.. So, no down-loading your mags at the start.
 
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