One upping the 375 H&H

1899 said:
I simply cannot imagine the recoil of a No.1 chambered for 600 NE. For example, in a 12lb rifle the recoil would be over 160 ft-lbs! A full power load - 178grs of powder launching a 900gr bullet at 2295fps gives 203 ft-lbs of recoil!
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For some reason that just makes me want to shoot one of those even more. I must be a sucker for punishment or something. Maybe go for a 700 nitro in Ruger #1.... :D

To be truthful, I haven't really watched too hard as the difference was negligible, perhaps $150-200 for Clay to do it, and that includes shipping you'd pay anyway from retail. Taxes are the same as in Canada of course.

All you do is get Prophet River to email you the FFL info (US dealer that receives your gun for you, stateside), and you have the manufacturer / seller ship the firearm there. Weeks later it arrives in the mail.
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FREYER just have Claye Smiley At Prophet River import a Montana rifle in whatever calibre you wish, I would if looking for a heavy Game Rifle, but spend the $200 extra and get the NECG EXpress package they offer, not listed but talk to the guys at Montana Rifle Inc, they showed the option at SHOT 2012, cheers freind Dale Z!
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Thanks for the additional info guys. I'm kind of rolling around the 505 gibbs or the 460 Weatherby if I go that route. The 460 would definitely be cheaper to shoot with a larger bullet selection available. Not sure about brass but I'd assume it's at least as easy as 505 gibbs to come by.

That being said 458 lott one should be able to at worst blow out from 375 H&H brass giving it an edge on component availability and price. Also the gun is significantly cheaper making me more willing to beat the crap out of it in the bush...and I can easily download to 45-70 levels to hunt grouse or something with it :p . God damned logic is getting in my way of aquiring a nice rifle. Someone shoot it down quick!!
 
Freyr_255 said:
For some reason that just makes me want to shoot one of those even more. I must be a sucker for punishment or something. Maybe go for a 700 nitro in Ruger #1.... :D
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Well, there are a couple of folk here who own No.1s chambered in .460 Wby. Ask what the recoil is like - without a brake.

The .460 shooting 500gr bullets at 2500 in a 10lb rifle gives you 93ft-lbs of recoil - less than 1/2 that of the 600 NE. If it weighed 12 lbs - the same as I used for the .600 calculations - the recoil would be 77.5 ft-lbs.

No sir. That is too much of a good thing for me!

By the way, the .470 Capstick is another option, as it also can use blown out .375 H&H brass.
 
That being said 458 lott one should be able to at worst blow out from 375 H&H brass giving it an edge on component availability and price
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Hornady makes 458 lott brass. The price of it is very reasonable and it seems to be available through a few of our sponsors. 505 Gibbs will be about 4 times the price per case. I am thinking of a big bore my self and keep coming back to the Lott as it seems that it is easy to find componenets, data and cheap to reload.
 
Lott's certainly the most practical, and is becoming the dangerous game stopper standard. The Ruger RSM was offered in the Lott, and is a fantastic rifle. I like it better than the CZ, but it's down to personal taste between the Ruger and CZ. Ruger mounts scopes a bit better, and has that beautiful integral quarter rib with NECG sights stock.
 
You guys are terrible at shooting down my logical choice of a CZ in 458 Lott. Horrible at it in fact. :p

Ardent: Looking at the Ruger website it looks like the RSM in 458 Lott is something I'd have to find on the used market correct?

1899: 470 Capstick sounds rather interesting but I was trying to stay away from wildcats. ;) (actually looking at it more on wiki it sounds like it's not a wildcat but rather an uncommon-ish specialty cartridge)
 
Freyr_255 said:
1899: 470 Capstick sounds rather interesting but I was trying to stay away from wildcats. ;) (actually looking at it more on wiki it sounds like it's not a wildcat but rather an uncommon-ish specialty cartridge)
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I like it because it is the biggest you can go on cheap, readily available brass and it doesn't need nearly as much powder as the Rigby or .378/.460 Wby based cases to get the job done.

Here is a good read on the .470 Capstick:

http://huntnetwork.net/modules/wfsection/html/Ah.470%20Capstick%20Perspectives.pdf
 
1899 said:
I like it because it is the biggest you can go on cheap, readily available brass and it doesn't need nearly as much powder as the Rigby or .378/.460 Wby based cases to get the job done.

Here is a good read on the .470 Capstick:

http://huntnetwork.net/modules/wfsection/html/Ah.470%20Capstick%20Perspectives.pdf
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Good info. Maybe I'll have to go for the Lott and then re-barrel at some point to the 470 capstick. :D

what about the 495 A2?
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I think that's getting a bit high on the specialty end for me as it would take a 460 weatherby action to make at which point I think I would just stick with the 460. Interesting thought though.
 
Freyr_255 said:
You guys are terrible at shooting down my logical choice of a CZ in 458 Lott. Horrible at it in fact. :p

Ardent: Looking at the Ruger website it looks like the RSM in 458 Lott is something I'd have to find on the used market correct?

1899: 470 Capstick sounds rather interesting but I was trying to stay away from wildcats. ;) (actually looking at it more on wiki it sounds like it's not a wildcat but rather an uncommon-ish specialty cartridge)
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Yes unfortunately the RSM was discontinued, too pricey to make. The integral quarter rib is likely is item that did it in, the option for an integral sight rib costs around as much as my whole RSM did at my favourite custom maker as it rules out lathe profiling barrels. The CZ offers a better magazine capacity (an extra round in .458) and the Ruger offers better ergonomics (safety, scope mounting) and sights. I've had both and believe me you'll be happy whichever you choose, it's Ford / Chevy but I happen to lean on the RSM side.
 
RSM at work, it'll be rebored to something big way down the road when I manage to shoot it out one day. It has taken all the following except the Woods Bison, played backup rifle on him. It killed my brother's Blue Wildebeest on follow up after his Core-Lokt'd .300 Weatherby didn't quite do it quick enough.

I'd shop for that .458 Lott RSM, they're out there, prices are incredibly reasonable, and they're just plain gorgeous rifles with a price tag way below their value in my opinion.

An action pic as it's a beautiful action, then the important stuff, game. Sorry for the hijack, I just love the RSM :redface: and really encourage folks to get theirs before they're harder to find.

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I missed what might be a really good Ruger Magnum the other day and just by a whisker...... darn it !!
It was done up in 505 Gibbs and I think listed at $ 1600 + , a good price depending on the quality of work done, etc.
Oh well, I'm sure there will be others....
 
I didn't see the rifle per se, just the ad in their used rifle list and if I recall it was described as rebored, by the time I buffed the dust from my Visa it had been scooped up.
My brother built one on an Enfield and I'm still trying to weasel it from him, failing that I might start whining about a 500 Jeffery he is also doing on an Enfield....
 
Ardent said:
Yes unfortunately the RSM was discontinued, too pricey to make. The integral quarter rib is likely is item that did it in, the option for an integral sight rib costs around as much as my whole RSM did at my favourite custom maker as it rules out lathe profiling barrels. The CZ offers a better magazine capacity (an extra round in .458) and the Ruger offers better ergonomics (safety, scope mounting) and sights. I've had both and believe me you'll be happy whichever you choose, it's Ford / Chevy but I happen to lean on the RSM side.
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Good to know. I'll keep my eyes open for one as I'm not in a huge rush to purchase. At worst I always know that I can get a CZ at any time.

:cheers:
 
Ardent said:
Wow, that would be slick and is more than two grand less than it would have cost to build. Did it have the original barrel, with the integral quarter rib? A rebore would be the only way to preserve it and it's a service that's getting harder to find.
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The Ruger 505 Gibbs was indeed a 6-groove rebore by Steve Holborn of Warren, ON in 2004. The bottom metal was also extended to accommodate an extra round. Here are the photos of the rifle that Epps sent to me:

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Totally awesome ! Truly a one of a kind purchase ! I am envious !
Are you keeping that glass or going to something tougher ?
My Brother has a 3X Leupold on his and its standing up well.... so far. :)
I'm saving one for my next beast.... when I find it.
Thanks for the great pics.
 
Ditch the glass. The Gibbs is meant for up close and personal work. Glad I didn't see that one...I'd have been sorely tempted. Would look great next to my 416 Rigby RSM.
 
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