Lack of level III matches in canada

Hmmmm!!!!!! I think most people are capable....I mean, the vetting process of stages for lvl 3/2 matches pretty much takes out all the guess work as far as stages are concerned ( :rolleyes:)....the bigger problem is people being interested/hosting a lvl 3 match.
I would say in Ontario.....it is a lack of interest/only want to shoot attitude that keeps more lvl 3 matches from happening....IMHO of cocourse
 
I would love to see a graduated program to help raise MDs from the ranks of shooters and club reps.

I know that when I started IPSC at EESA in 1999 my matches were screwed up. I was biting off far more than I could chew and my time management in terms of squads were.......well crap.

At the time |I had nobody to turn to for help.........or at least that was what I thought as there was no program.
I would love a program in which you could get help for some level 1s......then when you want you can move up to having level IIs and again have some help. Finally you can draw on some more help for your first Level IIIs etc. Of course when you can handle level III matches you do not need any help running level II matches and are TRUSTED with that ability (ie no sanction process beyond the MD having gone through the program of development)
 
simar said:
that is why its better to stop pushing and start pulling :)
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wow talk about missing the metaphor.....................


I AM THE ROPE!

WE are the ropes.......

Make sense now?

If you want people to work.........lead them. Inspire them to move forward. This is particularly valuable in volunteer groups. The minute you try to PUSH volunteers..............well they can tend to just give up. Ask themselve why the heck they are doing this and ............well stop.
 
Storm, why not USPSA matches?
Looks like a lot of Ont. shooters are shooting those matches and most of the people shooting at Tonawanda are Canadian.
I am working with a group of people who want to get a new range and club going.
My idea for action shooting will be USPSA, steal challenge, IDPA and 3 gun.
I have my own personal issue as some know with IPSC. I just think USPSA works better so why aren't more clubs going that way?

Red, White and Blue pill!
 
Love this idea.

stormbringer said:
I would love to see a graduated program to help raise MDs from the ranks of shooters and club reps.
I would love a program in which you could get help for some level 1s......then when you want you can move up to having level IIs and again have some help. Finally you can draw on some more help for your first Level IIIs etc. Of course when you can handle level III matches you do not need any help running level II matches and are TRUSTED with that ability (ie no sanction process beyond the MD having gone through the program of development)
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johnespos said:
Storm, why not USPSA matches?
Looks like a lot of Ont. shooters are shooting those matches and most of the people shooting at Tonawanda are Canadian.
I am working with a group of people who want to get a new range and club going.
My idea for action shooting will be USPSA, steal challenge, IDPA and 3 gun.
I have my own personal issue as some know with IPSC. I just think USPSA works better so why aren't more clubs going that way?

Red, White and Blue pill!
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Interesting to hear you say this, as the the new club level league I'm putting together at my club is basically USPSA, with the rules tweaked slightly to be compatible with Canadian magazine restrictions.

I think the demand would be there if someone wanted to organize it.

BTW USPSA has multigun already. That's one of the reasons why I went that way.
 
7.62mm said:
I would say in Ontario.....it is a lack of interest/only want to shoot attitude that keeps more lvl 3 matches from happening....IMHO of cocourse
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Lately, for some clubs, it been more like "we are too great, to host Level III or even Level II matches" attitude. It comes both ways, you know...
 
euxx said:
Lately, for some clubs, it been more like "we are too great, to host Level III or even Level II matches" attitude. It comes both ways, you know...
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That appears to be a non sensical position. I mean if a club is "great" then the question is by what measure. Not hosting events does not make one great.
I would suggest that one measure would be the clubs ability to in fact host matches and events of any sort.
Take EESA for example. We host fully 12 level 1 matches a year in terms of IPSC. Add to that the multigun matches of which we will have I would think 2 this year. (one in three weeks and the zombie match later). I am also trying to find range time for another "special" event that has yet to be announced.
We also have the "blast off shoot" the "women in the outdoors weekend" and our very successful "Open House" weekend that has introduced thousands of non shooters to the shooting sports.
If a great club is measured by its facilities and ther ability to host matches then again I would venture that EESA is again a great club. With proper planning and execution we can host a match of 14 to 21 stages on 7 ranges. Couple that with our new club house and level IV matches are possible.
The one downside we do have is a lack of hotel rooms close to the club. That said there are hundreds of rooms in London which is just half an hour away.
EESA has hosted 4 level III matches since 2007 including the provincials and I think that each of them was a very successful match. Not to mention the money that was generated for charity as a result of those matches.


Sooo by all measures I can think of EESA is a GREAT club!!
I actually think that we are one of if not THE best clubs in Ontario for certain.

If you measure a club by their willingness to bow to any and all demands...........well then we have a differing opinion on what greatness is.
 
stormbringer said:
...Take EESA for example. We host fully 12 level 1 matches a year in terms of IPSC...
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Both Wentworth and Burlington each host about 50 of those a year (over 30 shooters each week), though they don't call them Level I... Maybe they should.

No one is arguing EESA is a great club, but nevertheless it is hosting less and less matches.
 
euxx said:
Both Wentworth and Burlington each host about 50 of those a year (over 30 shooters each week), though they don't call them Level I... Maybe they should.

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they most certainly should. We are moving to more events of that sort with one regular level 1 match and one match featuring ICS stages each month. It makes stage design easier.





euxx said:
No one is arguing EESA is a great club, but nevertheless it is hosting less and less matches.
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No we are actually hosting exactly the same number of matches.........

last year we had a L2 in Feb.

This year we have the polar match in Feb.

Last year we had a spring match.

this year we are likely to have a spring match.

Last year we had a L2 in Sept..

This year we are likely to have multigun in Sept or so.

Same number of matches in total................The only change is the change from Larger IPSC matches to matches that reflect the current situation visa vis sanctioning processes.
 
euxx said:
Both Wentworth and Burlington each host about 50 of those a year (over 30 shooters each week), though they don't call them Level I... Maybe they should.

No one is arguing EESA is a great club, but nevertheless it is hosting less and less matches.
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Maybe less IPSC matches...but Storm has spoken to why that is.

In addition to the matches he mentioned, we also have 24 IDPA matches a year, and a few 2 gun or impromptu matches will pop up as well.

The advantage of the 2 gun and multi gun stuff is we can decide exactly, how, when where and what we want to do, and still fill a match no problem. Plus, no fees.

If shooters are unhappy about the amount of IPSC matches EESA is hosting, perhaps they can step up and host their own?
 
7.62mm said:
Geez....don't point out the obvious....he already knows you were going to say that anyways!
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lol...you know its funny. I never typically criticize those who do hold matches unless they ask for feedback. At the end of the day, even if a match has problems, I'm just thankful someone was willing to do it.

When people get burnt out, don't want to do it anymore, or can't spare the time.... I don't accuse them of playing politics, I just thank them again and move on, or start doing matches where they left off.
 
I think there is low demand for Level III matches in Ontario.
I remember John in EESA one year did not sell the whole match.
If there would be demand beside usual CGN #####ing people, someone will step in and organize level III match. Ontario shooters are pleased with little L1 and occasional LII, which in fact look like L1.
For me LIII match is like a business. Club should make money, those who are building stages and are taking time off from work should get payed accordingly for time lost.
RO should be rewarded beyond 3 points in their booklet.
Level III should promote IPSC in every way. It should be challenging, attractive and fun.
How to do it? Maybe learn from guys in Dalhousie, they have great matches.
Usually no less then 300 rounds, fees are not killing anyone pockets.
Otherwise we have US and great matches there.
Last year I have attended two L1 matches in Wayne, MI. They are run by Roy Neal.
Match fee was 25US, and for that we had over 200 rounds in challenging stages.
Yes, I admit, I do like long matches, lots of long course of fires and lots of steel, if I can not find this in Ontario I go to USA.

For those who set any matches here I say thanks guys. If wouldn't be for your effort we will only do 'ninja' talking on CGN.

Peter
 
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