Is the Glock 21 as good as the 17?

[TDC]

Bwahaha! So all these guys are just buying parts because they're sick of dealing with that nasty "perfection". That's just a whole new brand of stupid.

For starters the fact that you believe a marketing slogan speaks volumes about your intellect. Second you missed the point. Those who believe its necessary to mod most any pistol clearly don't have a clue how to shoot. Let's not forget that glock sig hk beretta and others are service guns not competition guns.

Learn to shoot and the rest is irrelevant.

TDC

 

[acm]

Most glock add on's are pure junk "I really really hate to say it but TDC was right "

So who are they selling all this crap to?

 

[Dsiwy]

So who are they selling all this crap to?

Same guys that put aeroplane wings on the back of there Honda's

 

[acm]

Same guys that put aeroplane wings on the back of there Honda's

Bwahahaha! Gotcha.

 

[curtmg]

So who are they selling all this crap to?

Me!

Ghost Rocket connector, wolff competition spring kit, wolff extra power mag springs, wolff stainless guide rod and the full series of spring weights, storm lake 6 inch 4 port barrel, XS Big Dot sights, picatinny rail kitchen sink, plus at least a few other parts I can't recall offhand. I was looking at a long slide for the ported barrel, but 3 bills is a bit much, I've even drooled over the various aftermarket frames, always wanted a titanium glock.

Fortunately, I don't think I've ever claimed to have any great skill, so if anyone wants to say I bought skill instead of taking the time to learn, I don't get offended. Honestly, like the honda with the airplane wing, It's mine, and that's how I like it, so (BTW, I drive a completely stock 2004 base model impala, as vanilla as cars come these days, it's even white).

 

[eg23]

Curtmg, got a picture of your Glock?

 

[mr00jimbo]

I have the 21 and model 17, both gen 3s.
I love them both equally.

 

[Bakercakes]

Very best? Lol... No...

Glocks are reliable, there reputation is built on that... A massive aftermarket parts industry built on barrels and trigger upgrades tells me Glock left the end user room to improve on there design.

The aftermarket parts for glocks has nothing To do with improving the design. It has everything to do with parting fools and their money who can't shoot and think they can buy and bolt on skill.

TDC

Gotta agree with TDC on this one. The large supply of aftermarket parts and accessories only exists because there are so many glock owners out there, (a large segment of firearm owners to market towards)
For example, there's probably not a huge supply of stock or aftermarket parts available for an HK-P7... and not because it's a perfect gun in every single way, and cannot be improved upon, but because severely less people own one compared to a standard glock 17.
Honestly, it's common sense... when a certain product is incredibly popular and has a huge following, it's only natural for smaller companies to take advantage of this and produce random parts to 'upgrade' on the original design.

And yes, the glock is popular for a reason... reliability, accuracy, philosophy of use and its reasonable price.
Of course, it will never replace that nostalgic feeling when you fondle an M1911A1, or that traditionalist sensation when squeezing the trigger on a SA revolver... but it IS one of the best pistols on the market today. And for good reason, haters gonna hate lol

 

[TDC]

Same guys that put aeroplane wings on the back of there Honda's

That pretty well describes the crowd.

TDC

 

[Hotwheels81]

The aftermarket parts for glocks has nothing To do with improving the design. It has everything to do with parting fools and their money who can't shoot and think they can buy and bolt on skill.

TDC

Is that a fact....

While I would agree most Glocks are perfectly fine out of the box (except all the issues they are running into with gen 3.5 and 4) the flinging of brass 15' right and 6' back I experiance with my 20 shooting light or heavy 10mm loads... Even AE factory ammo... tells me there designer shouldn't of put a pussy 17lb recoil spring designed for .40 Short & Weak in my new gun.... Don't even get me started on Glock smiles either...

I can shoot my Glock just fine, rite after I make it work like its supposed to.

 

[cbabes]

I have the 21 and model 17, both gen 3s.
I love them both equally.

I am in the same boat. Same reliability out of both of them for me. I have had them for a long time.

 

[The Baron]

I don't know a damn thing about Glocks, but you certainly can't say that a plethora of aftermarket parts is a sign of poor reliability or a need to improve a design. If that were the case, then the AR15 platform must be the biggest piece of crap ever invented, same for the Rem 870 and Rem 700. The supply of aftermarket parts is more reflective of the size of the market itself being there are thousands upon thousands of Glock owners out there to sell to.

 

[bollox]

If that were the case, then the AR15 platform must be the biggest piece of crap ever invented

Actually, some would say that.....

 

[cbabes]

The aftermarket parts for glocks has nothing To do with improving the design. It has everything to do with parting fools and their money who can't shoot and think they can buy and bolt on skill.

TDC

While I agree at what you are getting at with regards that a good shooter can get accurate and proficient with practically any firearm don't forget this is also a hobby. I buy after market parts for my Glocks and other guns sometimes just for an aesthetic factor or comfort not because I think it will make me a better shooter. I guess I could still be a fool.

 

[steyr36]

I've used the G21 for IPSC for 6-7 years, it was great! I started out with a 1911 Series 80 SS (3 yrs), then moved my Dad's G21 and found a huge improvement, then after I was really accurate with the G21, I move to the 17L and shot that (6 yrs) till the slide cracked (Rare occurrence with 17L, looked into it.) I shot my Mom's G24C until I tried a HK P7M8, bought one and used that ever since!

My Dad still has his G21 and swears by it, still shoots IPSC at 80

My Mom was using the G17L, then went to a G22, now has a G24C

I'm pretty sure if the slide on the G17L didn't crack, I'd still be using it

Thinking I should have gone back to the G21

To answer the OP's question: I believe the G21 to be as good as the G17.

 

[TDC]

Is that a fact....

While I would agree most Glocks are perfectly fine out of the box (except all the issues they are running into with gen 3.5 and 4) the flinging of brass 15' right and 6' back I experiance with my 20 shooting light or heavy 10mm loads... Even AE factory ammo... tells me there designer shouldn't of put a pussy 17lb recoil spring designed for .40 Short & Weak in my new gun.... Don't even get me started on Glock smiles either...

I can shoot my Glock just fine, rite after I make it work like its supposed to.

I agree that the more potent cartridges need a stronger spring. I run a 20lbs spring in my 17's for just that reason. I have no doubt that the guns will run with the factory 17lbs springs, but I don't believe that all models should be running them.

While I agree at what you are getting at with regards that a good shooter can get accurate and proficient with practically any firearm don't forget this is also a hobby. I buy after market parts for my Glocks and other guns sometimes just for an aesthetic factor or comfort not because I think it will make me a better shooter. I guess I could still be a fool.

Buying for aesthetic reasons is a personal choice, but it also has nothing to do with changing the design.

TDC

 

[acm]

TDC don't ABIDE by no look-good jibber jabber!!

 

[Bakercakes]

I don't know a damn thing about Glocks, but you certainly can't say that a plethora of aftermarket parts is a sign of poor reliability or a need to improve a design. If that were the case, then the AR15 platform must be the biggest piece of crap ever invented, same for the Rem 870 and Rem 700. The supply of aftermarket parts is more reflective of the size of the market itself being there are thousands upon thousands of Glock owners out there to sell to.

Pretty much sums it up I would say. Spot on

 

[animalamidon]

well it shots .45 instead of 9. so of course its better!

 

[cr5]

I have a Gen 4 G17 and a Gen 3 G21 (and a 10mm barrel for the 21). The 21 grip is a little large but I can still get a good hold on it.
Both guns have functioned 100% with everything I've fed them.
They are my favorite pistols and I think there is a reason that more military and law enforcement agencies around the world use Glock as standard issue.

I used to hate Glock's, but that was based on the Gen 1 models and the heavy awkward trigger. I find my newer ones to be much better and once you get used to them they are actually pretty nice. I still prefer the trigger on my 1911's or my 460S&W but those are more like rifle triggers.

About it being the best? I don't know. I think that depends on what you want to use it for.
Most Glock's are high capacity for the caliber selected (outside Canada).
There are more accurate pistols out there.
There are more ergonomic (for some people) pistols.
There are ###ier pistols.
The Glock is built to work. It can be abused, drug through the desert or through the mud and just shaken off and it will work. If you want a pistol to trust your life to I say Glock is one of the top choices.
They aren't for everyone but they are for many.

I would go down to the local shop and handle a few different pistols and pick the one that feels the best in YOUR hand. One that offers the features that YOU value. Look into the price and availability of spare magazines and hop up parts and also into the company warranty.

If a Glock feels good in your hand you probably won't regret purchasing one.

Good luck