F.A.S.T Times?

I would say add a second or so for a revolver. You will only lose time on the reload.

Clobb, cutting down to under 7 from 8 and a quarter is a breeze. The FAST really only consists of two hard parts: the first shot and the reload. If you work on your draw times and your reload, you will drop into the 6s in no time.
 
misanthropist said:
I would say add a second or so for a revolver. You will only lose time on the reload.
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I don't think adding one sec is realistic. A really slick revolver re-load is 3 to 4 secs (with speedloaders). What is the time for a semi-auto re-load? 1 to 2 secs? Maybe adding at least two secs would be more like it.
 
I have seen quite a few 3 second reloads and a couple in the low 2 range.

But I am not a revolver shooter myself so I can't really gauge the comparative performance. I would think the amount of work it takes to get down to a 1.5 second reload on an auto is similar to the amount of work it takes to get down to a 2.5 second reload on a revolver, but maybe 3 seconds is more realistic. I could probably do a 4 second shot-to-shot reload with a revolver right now, though...and I shoot a revolver about once a year.

What I want to emphasize is that you don't give up THAT much...so revolver shooters should not give themselves a break on the times and in doing so overestimate their abilities.
 
Got the time down to 8.10 sec today. It was a greasy run though, I almost dropped the first shot. I used the same gear except I wore a Parkland's BDU vest. Click on the pic below for the video with timer confirmation, sorry for the crappy quality. As you can see from the target it wasn't my first run and I dropped a lot shots from the card. Feel free to critique it...
 
so its 2 to the rectangle, then reload followed by 4 to the 8"? this video shows the correct sequence of the drill? and its from 7 yards? using concealment or duty holster?
 
Critique: go faster

Honestly it is hard to give any commentary with the camera pointing at the target.

However, I will say that you if your grip and stance are good, you should be able to throw 4 into the circle nearly as fast as you can squeeze the trigger. Just wait long enough to get a flash of the front sight and hammer them off.

With a 226 I have found that it is actually difficult to drop any on the circle...if the first one is in, everything else will be, even if I have the sights taped off. You can speed up a lot on the circle.

Hooch, the sequence is right with the minor caveat that the reload must be from slidelock, so the first mag has two rounds only.
 
misanthropist said:
Critique: go faster

Honestly it is hard to give any commentary with the camera pointing at the target.

However, I will say that you if your grip and stance are good, you should be able to throw 4 into the circle nearly as fast as you can squeeze the trigger. Just wait long enough to get a flash of the front sight and hammer them off.

With a 226 I have found that it is actually difficult to drop any on the circle...if the first one is in, everything else will be, even if I have the sights taped off. You can speed up a lot on the circle.

Hooch, the sequence is right with the minor caveat that the reload must be from slidelock, so the first mag has two rounds only.
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Thanks for the advice. I'd have the camera pointed at me but I'm not quite ready to have my bulk advertised across the internet.:D

I did try to go faster but it resulted in lots of misses. As you can see from the target (and the video for that matter) I still tend to drop shots low, especially on my first shot (DA). I believe my grip and stance are Ok, and I was playing with rotating my elbows out today. I really have to focus more on the front sight as well, and I'm working on that. To be honest, I find the P2000 a little squirrely in my hands. It really is a small pistol and if I go too fast I end up with shots outside the circle. I may buy a P30L to compliment my 2000 in the near future. One thing for sure though it's not the pistol, it's me.
 
Clobbersauras said:
Thanks for the advice. I'd have the camera pointed at me but I'm not quite ready to have my bulk advertised across the internet.:D

I did try to go faster but it resulted in lots of misses. As you can see from the target (and the video for that matter) I still tend to drop shots low, especially on my first shot (DA). I believe my grip and stance are Ok, and I was playing with rotating my elbows out today. I really have to focus more on the front sight as well, and I'm working on that. To be honest, I find the P2000 a little squirrely in my hands. It really is a small pistol and if I go too fast I end up with shots outside the circle. I may buy a P30L to compliment my 2000 in the near future. One thing for sure though it's not the pistol, it's me.
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your shots dropping low is because you are "reaching" for the trigger.. you prolly have too large of grips, or short fingers.
When you shoot, the only thing that should be moving is your index finger.. arms, wrist, elbows.. everything is locked except your trigger finger is free to move.
You are correct is saying "its not the pistol", keep practicing, and in time you will get quicker, and more accurate.
 
wicked_police said:
Misanthropists critique is bang on. lol

I've got some P2000's at work with the LEM trigger, and it's pretty easy to get into the 5's with it.

I lose time on the reload just because I'm not used to the lever position. If I worked at it, I could probably get down to the same times or faster than I am with a traditional mag release.

I wouldn't put video of me online either, but you're probably safe getting Slavex or Misanthropist to watch you shoot. Or Tritium. The best and only way to get good and proper critiquing is to have someone watch you do the manipulations, shooting, reloads, etc. Without that, all we have is sound and holes in paper....
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Tritium has seen me shoot. He knows how bad I am! :D

Hopefully I can get this Victoria course off the ground and learn some more things from him.
 
hoochie said:
your shots dropping low is because you are "reaching" for the trigger.. you prolly have too large of grips, or short fingers.
When you shoot, the only thing that should be moving is your index finger.. arms, wrist, elbows.. everything is locked except your trigger finger is free to move.
You are correct is saying "its not the pistol", keep practicing, and in time you will get quicker, and more accurate.
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I use the medium sized grip insert and have quite long fingers. I use the pad of my index finger. It's usually the DA shot that I drop. I'm working on not staging the trigger and getting a consistent smooth pull, while focusing on the front sight. I'm only able to dry fire once a week, which is hard enough with two kids and a life...:)
 
wicked_police said:
you're probably safe getting Slavex or Misanthropist to watch you shoot. Or Tritium.
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I will now forever tell people that, in the opinion of one of Canada's elite professional trigger pullers, I am on par with Slavex and Tritium.

I will probably not explain that I am on par in terms of "safe to show potentially embarassing footage to".
 
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