Guerrilla Sniper Rifles - interesting concept/niche/philosophy

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i figure this deserves to go here rather than the precision rifles section..

I stumbled across a picture on google yesterday that took me to the Warrior talk forum... in particular the GSR section ..

something i hadnt seen before, a GSR was an accuracy and optics capable rifle to 600-700m and using a round capable of stopping a person..

right now you're thinking.. Typical American SHTF Wolverines type stuff..

but their requirements for their GSR's were heads at 200 and torso's at 600 .. which means even a 2.5MOA rifle is capable .. so it opens up all those battle rifles that people previously thought wouldnt be any good at range as they dont shoot sub moa ..

the other stipulation is that it has to be in a man stoppable round... which is almost everything at 200-600m ( apart from .22LR at the extended range )

also there are apparently courses run to teach the philosophy ( for lack of a better word )
at first i thought "well its just not-so-LR shooting with not-so-accurate guns.. but i read further and really what they are teaching is that you dont need a sub MOA gun to shoot longer ranges enjoyably ( or in their case for SHTF ) and that you shouldnt rule out a service type battle rifle as no good for anything over 300m just because it doesnt shoot a ragged hole at 100m

the 'philosophy' is also about making effective shots on man and animal size targets, in the field, in imperfect conditions and positions, and sort of on the fly..

Of course your GSR doesnt need to be a Semi auto, and it should be easily portable. Should also be a good Mud gun..

Many of the guys are building on savage actions for theirs. many others are using EBR's and low end AR's that they can rough up a bit

Beavis and Myself are going to ###y up a couple of rifles for the purpose and give it a crack down at one of his shooting spots..

heres the pic that started it all

apparently the fella had just pinged his target at 700m with his .308 AK 16" barrel.
image was posted by the course instructor and not the shooter himself, so im more enclined to believe it

EDIT: Image was massive, so heres the link

ht tp://warriortalknews.typepad.com/.a/6a0133ec985af6970b013487f6a79b970c-pi

so i dont know.. without getting all tied up in the SHTF side of things i quite like the idea behind it all.. not getting bogged down in MOA, just learning to make effective hits in the field with your battle rifles

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in the field is the key here.. service is all just on the range..and known ranges at that..
i guess thats the difference. its field shooting, not range shooting = unknown ranges vs known ranges

also we're not looking at range finders and ballistic calc's .. i guess its kind of reverting to actual shooting skills..
and the more i look at it the more i realise that its just skills many shooters have lost because of the convenience of modern tech

i say lost.. i guess its more along the lines of skills that many shooters arent developing now days
 
####ing Wish I could have an FAL for this.

Would be my first choice... of only 2 options.

Second is my AR. super comfortable with the platform... I'm able to shoot it VERY well. I can make the shots count. Blah blah blah.

ALTHOUGH...garands sure do look nice ;)

*hint hint person who I know, sell me your ####ing garand*
 
matty86suk said:
like a nutnfancy run and gun, except using stalking techniques and targets at all unknown ranges, sounds like fun...
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Matty gets it

putting what you know about extended range shooting, into practice in a practical ( dare i say, tactical ) setting


rugbydave said:
Sounds like fun for sure but is it just me or does a GSR sound pretty much like an EBR?
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yeah i guess in a way.. except with the addition of bolt guns

heck i prefer the term EBR as well.. GSR sounds a little SHTF wolverines fantasy land
 
in art of precision rifle, travis talks about his weapon of choice in a TEOTWAKI situation being something along the lines of an AR SPR because it was much more capable then he'd expected when he was in the field, was hitting 700+m and said that you can carry more 223 than 308. Not to mention he found the 223 to be pretty effective.
 
A "guerrilla sniper rifle" sounds to me like any decent hunting rifle with a good scope...in the hands of a person who has the skill and determination to use it to effect and maintain a low profile.

I think too many people get hung up on thinking about exotic equipment and ultra-long shots to the point that they forget that sniping is really just good shooting from careful concealment.
 
Fenix.NZ said:
in the field is the key here.. service is all just on the range..and known ranges at that..
i guess thats the difference. its field shooting, not range shooting = unknown ranges vs known ranges

also we're not looking at range finders and ballistic calc's .. i guess its kind of reverting to actual shooting skills..
and the more i look at it the more i realise that its just skills many shooters have lost because of the convenience of modern tech

i say lost.. i guess its more along the lines of skills that many shooters arent developing now days
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At last, some folks are beginning to see the light. Too many internet warriors and hunters get all mixed up about how accurate this rifle is compared to that rifle, and how this load is so much better than that load, etc. Like me, even have pictures of some of the shots, only to get slaughtered by the "experts"
again. Funny how all those "expert" groups open up when they have to shoot, say from standing, or kneeling (just like when hunting for real).

I have really grown to appreciate the simplistic sights and mechanisms used on the WWI and WWII rifles (allied or axis) because in a pinch, they really, really worked reliably and accurately enough to eliminate threats! Imagine, no red-dots, no range finders, no barrel dampeners, primitive sights.
 
Tengoo said:
A "guerrilla sniper rifle" sounds to me like any decent hunting rifle with a good scope...in the hands of a person who has the skill and determination to use it to effect and maintain a low profile.
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can be... as i tried to say in my first post ( unsuccessfully ) its a mix of a rifle with certain capability, and a philosophy of use that makes a GSR

really its just Practical field shooting
 
I always return to Simo Hayha. That man was an effective weapon, using the tools at hand. If your tool has limitations, operate within them, maximise the advantage you have: choosing how, when and where to engage your enemy.
 
Tengoo said:
A "guerrilla sniper rifle" sounds to me like any decent hunting rifle with a good scope...in the hands of a person who has the skill and determination to use it to effect and maintain a low profile.

I think too many people get hung up on thinking about exotic equipment and ultra-long shots to the point that they forget that sniping is really just good shooting from careful concealment.
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I agree 100% there is only so much you can account for with equipment, it's the soft meaty thing behind the rifle that determines how effective it is.
 
Fenix.NZ said:
in the field is the key here.. service is all just on the range..and known ranges at that..
i guess thats the difference. its field shooting, not range shooting = unknown ranges vs known ranges.
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Known distance shooting is the basis for marksmanship in the basic shooting positions, as well as learning leade, and range estimation.

Once someone has a grasp of range estimation, field shooting isn't too far of a stretch.
 
WhoHH whoHH whoHH! got more reasons now to shoot this thing. Got to get me one of the new version. Do they come in 7075 T6 scoped version with full auto and a 200 round mag?
Need to get me one of those puppies DOHHHH!:dancingbanana:
 
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