looking for a trap gun
- Thread starter brayden26
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Remington 870 trap, Remington 1100 trap, Browning BPS Trap. All 3 of these are good starting trap guns and can be had for $500 or less.
Just to confirm when you say "trap" do you mean ATA trap as it is currently shot in North America or do you use the word to apply to all clay target shooting.
The Browning BT is a good gun but a specialist item. If you intend to shoot just singles and handicap trap then it's great. But if you want a gun to shoot other games as well you might consider a target semi-automatic or a good used over/under with choke tubes.
870 a good starter under $500, can be used for doubles if you're quick. Get older Wingmaster if possible, Express ok (I've owned it) but some issues with certain shells ejecting (for me it was Winchester Supertargets).
Around $1000 (plus minus $100) a used Citori with fixed chokes (improved mod or mod, and full). Make sure it's a trap model, not a light field gun, field gun will tire you out by the end of a day of trapshooting (more recoil).
EDIT: Also if you can find one (hard to find) a used Remington 3200 is amazing, but prices can vary a lot (look to be around $1200 usually, but deals are out there). Same basic design as Krieghoff (who used the older Rem model 32 as a pattern), can upgrade using Krieghoff parts, and just overall good quality.
Around $1000 (plus minus $100) a used Citori with fixed chokes (improved mod or mod, and full). Make sure it's a trap model, not a light field gun, field gun will tire you out by the end of a day of trapshooting (more recoil).
EDIT: Also if you can find one (hard to find) a used Remington 3200 is amazing, but prices can vary a lot (look to be around $1200 usually, but deals are out there). Same basic design as Krieghoff (who used the older Rem model 32 as a pattern), can upgrade using Krieghoff parts, and just overall good quality.
The Remington 3200 is somewhat similar in appearance but is a very different gun. It cannot be upgraded with Krieghoff parts.
When the 3200 was in production 30 years ago Remington felt compelled to offer free factory upgrades to resolve a number of specific issues with them. It is very bad advice to recommend a 3200 to new shooter. There are many better options out there.
Actually, the more recent ones all have the firing pin and forearm issues fixed. It's not a terrible gun in terms of maintenance and shoots quite well, so a post-update gun is not a bad choice if a good deal is found. I would recommend a nice wingmaster first though, an 870 is just a very good noob gun, especially at its pricepoint.
As to replacing with Krieghoff parts, I was told by an owner of a 3200 that he had the barrel hangers from a krieghoff and a top latch as well. Not sure what effort went into making them fit, so it might not be easy or worth doing in the end.
As to replacing with Krieghoff parts, I was told by an owner of a 3200 that he had the barrel hangers from a krieghoff and a top latch as well. Not sure what effort went into making them fit, so it might not be easy or worth doing in the end.
Lets see the old 3200 to suggest purchase would mean one has never owned one like claybuster and others have and many like back then still think they are the same as a 32
While they look similiar and have the same lockup all similarities end there. They are worlds apart in how they handle and the care and quality of parts that goes into their making. For any who think they are the same, take the stock off and look inside. It is like comparing a chevette to a corvette. I remember when the 3200 came out in the early 70's and we all bought them. A few years later they were for sale everywhere, firing pin hole problems and cracked forearms was just a taste of the issues.
The op would be way ahead with a nice 870 wingmaster like my old TC trap to get him started
While they look similiar and have the same lockup all similarities end there. They are worlds apart in how they handle and the care and quality of parts that goes into their making. For any who think they are the same, take the stock off and look inside. It is like comparing a chevette to a corvette. I remember when the 3200 came out in the early 70's and we all bought them. A few years later they were for sale everywhere, firing pin hole problems and cracked forearms was just a taste of the issues.
The op would be way ahead with a nice 870 wingmaster like my old TC trap to get him started
The 3200 isn't a terrible gun by any means but not a good recommendation for someone who isn't familiar with the gun's history.
If considering a 3200 look for a little dot between the serial number and OU as in OU.1111 and hex head screws on the breech face below the firing pin. A gun over serial #30,000 will have had the upgrades done at the factory.
An older gun that is out of production can occasionally be a frustrating experience. A new shooter is better off with a decent quality currently-manufactured gun like Wingmaster. If he gets addicted to the game his first gun will not be his last.
If considering a 3200 look for a little dot between the serial number and OU as in OU.1111 and hex head screws on the breech face below the firing pin. A gun over serial #30,000 will have had the upgrades done at the factory.
An older gun that is out of production can occasionally be a frustrating experience. A new shooter is better off with a decent quality currently-manufactured gun like Wingmaster. If he gets addicted to the game his first gun will not be his last.
The 3200 isn't a terrible gun by any means but not a good recommendation for someone who isn't familiar with the gun's history.
If considering a 3200 look for a little dot between the serial number and OU as in OU.1111 and hex head screws on the breech face below the firing pin. A gun over serial #30,000 will have had the upgrades done at the factory.
An older gun that is out of production can occasionally be a frustrating experience. A new shooter is better off with a decent quality currently-manufactured gun like Wingmaster. If he gets addicted to the game his first gun will not be his last.
Yes, the history of the gun should be noted, but not that hard to find out a lot about it with a quick google search. If a good deal, under $1200, I still maintain not a bad gun, even for beginner, as long as it's post-update.
Also, I agree, the Wingmaster is a superb beginner's gun, I would recommend it to every new shooter no matter the clay game (other than the olympic or FITASC styles, but beginners should be advised not to try those for a while anyway). Simple, easy to maintain, and more importantly quite cheap initially and little depreciation so when he wants to get out of it he won't lose much (if any) money (especially with a Wingmaster, properly cared for).
Never thought it was the same as a 32 or even in the same ballpark as a K-gun. I've been shooting a buddy's later manufactured model 3200 for a few months (whilst one of my guns is being mangled by Browning on factory repair and another is being built incredibly slowly in Italy) and I've grown quite fond of it. I've shot it with fairly light loads (24g) and not that much, roughly 2 flats per week for a several months, but I haven't had any issues with it yet and it's felt solid (more so than my Browning XT trap, by a mile). Only modification I've made was to add spacers to extend LOP. Of course, a few months use is a mere blip in the lifetime of the gun.
Second the 391.
I also agree with CB about the 3200. If you get a good one you are lucky. If you are not the lucky type, you need to be a gun mechanic and have an endless supply of parts. A shooter new to the sport does not need to take the gamble with so many good starter guns out there.
I also agree with CB about the 3200. If you get a good one you are lucky. If you are not the lucky type, you need to be a gun mechanic and have an endless supply of parts. A shooter new to the sport does not need to take the gamble with so many good starter guns out there.
There was good ones.
See we bought the 1st ones made in the early 70's so must have missed the good ones. There was a few at the club back then but I cannot recall even one remaining today. I remember sending mine to Ilion for upgrades they called it.3mac1,
I said "If you get a good one you are lucky."
Maybe I should have said "you have to be lucky to get a good one" ??
You see I was just trying to agree with CB and also be polite as there are some on this thread who actually recomend the 3200.
3macs, just between you and me, I think nearly ALL 3200s are s**t!
I said "If you get a good one you are lucky."
Maybe I should have said "you have to be lucky to get a good one" ??
You see I was just trying to agree with CB and also be polite as there are some on this thread who actually recomend the 3200.
3macs, just between you and me, I think nearly ALL 3200s are s**t!
3mac1,
I said "If you get a good one you are lucky."
Maybe I should have said "you have to be lucky to get a good one" ??
You see I was just trying to agree with CB and also be polite as there are some on this thread who actually recomend the 3200.
3macs, just between you and me, I think nearly ALL 3200s are s**t!
Yes sir we are on the same page
3mac1,
I said "If you get a good one you are lucky."
Maybe I should have said "you have to be lucky to get a good one" ??
You see I was just trying to agree with CB and also be polite as there are some on this thread who actually recomend the 3200.
3macs, just between you and me, I think nearly ALL 3200s are s**t!
Will give you the grace of " nearly all ". While I no longer own a 3200 nothing bad to say about them and I've had a couple very fine ones including a " Competition Live Pigeon" that was Briley tubed for sub gauges. Yes, there were some issues but IMO great guns.
To the original post for a basic starter trap gun look for a Brno. Have a ZH103 that I picked up very reasonable ( Under $400.00 ) from Trade Ex. I've had several Brno's over the years in Field, Skeet and rifle / shotgun models and a little different trigger system but tough simplicity for an action.
And then we have the person that has no idea what they are talking about and quite likely dosn't own a firearm let alone a trap shotgun
