H&k usp 40 s&w

Very accurate, exceptionally reliable. Unquestionably still one of the very best off the shelf handguns available, period. You need to spend pretty big money to get something that is notably better than it without compromising accuracy or reliability.

I would say you should absolutely handle one first, though. The ergonomics can be a little clunky even for average-sized hands (at least it was for me). I personally prefer the P30 although you wouldn't go wrong with either (or a P2000).
 
The H&K P2000's barrel is under 4 inches. On the website it says 3.66 inches witch would make it prohib? Am i correct? I was also looking at a Walther P22 witch was a cheaper alternative to buying a new handgun, but again for that the barrel is under 4 inches, 3.42 inches i belive unless I was to buy the Target 5 inch barrel witch just looks silly to me.

Target version - http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/6627125325/9547751/acf6e86.jpg
Regular - http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/7223132202/10350788/wap22004.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg

I think the Nickel one looks really nice.
 
Ok that makes sense, is there any type of Canadian P22 pistol without having to get the Target version that anyone knows of?
 
Liam021 said:
Ok that makes sense, is there any type of Canadian P22 pistol without having to get the Target version that anyone knows of?
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.22s are fun, but IMHO, if you want to learn how to properly shoot (which includes recoil management), than get a 9mm. They are still cheap but unlike .22s, are a real caliber cou:
 
Yea but IMO I would much rather a 40S&W then 9. And I do know how to properly shoot so recoil dose not way my decision of what caliber to get. Also the 9 and 40 for the USP both have over 10 round magazines so they would be both pinned so there's not much difference besides recoil and a slight price difference.
 
Liam021 said:
Yea but IMO I would much rather a 40S&W then 9. And I do know how to properly shoot so recoil dose not way my decision of what caliber to get. Also the 9 and 40 for the USP both have over 10 round magazines so they would be both pinned so there's not much difference besides recoil and a slight price difference.
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Mags are not pinned, and there is no price difference...not even with the 45. Mags come standard as 10 rounders, and their prices should be exactly the same...not a couple bucks more because it is a larger caliber. If this is what you've been told, or have seen from a retailer, start shopping somewhere else...
 
st1264 said:
Factory USP 40 mags are 13rds. Mine is pinned to 10. 9mm is 15. So YES, they are pinned.
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They are not pinned. 13 and 15 round USP magazines have a different body than the 10 round mags. The high-cap mags do not have the rectangular cut-outs at both sides on the bottom for the base plate to lock in to. The base plate of the high-cap mags locks in by sliding in from the front of the mag, and rides on two channels, slightly extending outward from the mag body at the bottom sides. For the 10 round mags, the base plate locks in by inserting from the bottom, and then the two tabs extending upward on the base plate lock into the two slots cut out on the actual mag body. Two different designs for the same gun, which allow for 13/15 round capacities, or a 10 round capacity, which is what we have. No "pins" anywhere on the mag...just different set-up.

Also, the 10 round mags only mark "10" at the back, to indicate the number of rounds in it. The high-cap mark "13" for 40S&W, and "15" for 9mm...

So, they are not pinned.

Am I missing something here, guys? Please let me know...not trying to start an argument, but this is how all of my mags are.

I have high-cap mags that are physically "pinned" to 10 rounds, by means of rivets/epoxy...
 
Mine are pinned. You say they are not pinned, then in the next sentence "Mine are pinned". I don't understand. Mine are pinned. The 10rd ones online are also, you can see when you blow them up. These are factory 13rd 40 mags that are made to be 10rds. Not sure what the debate is about. Post pics of yours, as I have no clue what you are talking about. This USP was purchased a month ago.

13rd, no pin
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/181185/hk-magazine-hk-usp-40-s-and-w-13-round-polymer-black

10rd, pin. Same mag with a pin in it. When they pin them, they don't list up to 13 for obvious reasons, as it's been limited to 10.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/137983/hk-magazine-hk-usp-40-s-and-w-10-round-polymer-black

Zoom in on the pics to see the physical pin.

Now what the heck is that? A space ship? There's 2 inches below the 10rd mark...
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st1264 said:
Mine are pinned. You say they are not pinned, then in the next sentence "Mine are pinned". I don't understand. Mine are pinned. The 10rd ones online are also, you can see when you blow them up. These are factory 13rd 40 mags that are made to be 10rds. Not sure what the debate is about. Post pics of yours, as I have no clue what you are talking about. This USP was purchased a month ago.

13rd, no pin
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/181185/hk-magazine-hk-usp-40-s-and-w-13-round-polymer-black

10rd, pin. Same mag with a pin in it. When they pin them, they don't list up to 13 for obvious reasons, as it's been limited to 10.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/137983/hk-magazine-hk-usp-40-s-and-w-10-round-polymer-black

Zoom in on the pics to see the physical pin.

Now what the heck is that? A space ship? There's 2 inches below the 10rd mark...
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First of all, where in my last post did I say that "mine are pinned", unless I was referring to my high cap mags that I had "physically pinned" by a gunsmith, to meet Canadian firearms law? NOWHERE...

Secondly, we happen to be talking about the same thing, here. That "pin" that you are referring to, that rectangular tab at the bottom, is what I was talking about as well. To me, that's not a pin...maybe it is considered to be "the pin", but I myself wouldn't refer to it as such. When I think of a "pinned mag", I'm thinking of a modification performed to meet legal standards.

If I mis-interpreted something here, then so be it...my bad. But we are talking about the same thing...

Thanks for posting the pics...was gonna' do it also...
 
strider007 said:
I have high-cap mags that are physically "pinned" to 10 rounds, by means of rivets/epoxy...
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We have the same mags, they are pinned. Exactly the same 13rd mags with a pin in it. Whether the pin is polymer or whatever, what's the difference? They're pinned/blocked/limited... If you have 15yr old mags, well so be it. This is what we have today.
 
Alright guys thanks for the help with the mags, but in the end the difference still dose not matter if the mags are 10 or 13 or 15.

They all have to be 10 so therefore the difference between the 40 and the 9 is only the bullet and recoil same frame, just different barrel. But the difference between the 9 and 40 to the 45 is a bigger grip and slightly different frame?
 
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