Guerrilla Sniper Rifles - interesting concept/niche/philosophy
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Sounds like a great way to make yourself sound like either a Walter Mitty or a potential terrorist/whacko, while helping to tar gun owners in general. I can see it now, "The Guerrilla Sniper Competition" coming to a range near you!
Why, for wanting to go shooting with your friends, because this is really what it is, call it what you want, just because you may not be into this type of shooting doesn't mean it doesn't belong within the shooting sport community...this is basically service rifle with a twist...go over to the SR forum and beek off and see how that works out for you...who needs Wendy and her ilk when we can be our own worst enemy...sheesh
Why, for wanting to go shooting with your friends, because this is really what it is, call it what you want, just because you may not be into this type of shooting doesn't mean it doesn't belong within the shooting sport community...this is basically service rifle with a twist...go over to the SR forum and beek off and see how that works out for you...who needs Wendy and her ilk when we can be our own worst enemy...sheesh
If we just vote the right guy into office ... we will be fine. The liberals are our enemy and all that crap ..
I HIGHLY doubt you have the slightest clue who's really running the show in this country. Highly doubt it or you would be responding in the same manner I did.
Go back to watching football and #####ing about Mike Harris to your buddies.
How old are you Mr. 127 posts?
You might want to shape up before the Mods ship you out to cool off in the hallway.
We try to maintain a minimum level of intelligence and relevance, or at least humour in posts on CGN. Several of your comments in this thread don't meet the minimum standard. I haven't bothered to look at your other posts.
If you'd like a second or third opinion on that, I suggest you ask a few of the Mods.
VERY minimal with comments like your original. Who gives a damn whether I or anyone else have 2 or 20,000 posts. CGN seniority?
The intention of Fenix's thread (a specific shotting skill set) is to promote the ultimate reason why people need to own guns, and thats if you gov. gets really out of control. Thats the fact whether your man enough to handle that reality or not.
I tend to agree with you. I can't see the End of the World stuff happening (and if it does, I kinda hope to be among the first to go. Don't think I'd want to try starting over with none of life's little amenities like clothing, medication, power, etc., but that's another discussion.) if it ever did come to pass, I can guarantee that a lot of the "arm-chair snipers" would poop their pants. And those that didn't would very likely be unable to hit the broad side of a barn. I've been very fortunate in that I've never had to face combat or anything even remotely like it. I have, however, been in life-and-death situations quite often. I managed to muddle through every time, and was actually thinking quite clearly, able to plan and to carry out a plan, and be a productive part of a team. Back then, it's something that happened regularly in my line of work. All that being said, I'm a pretty good shot. I'd say I'm in the top 25% or so. however, in the life-and-death situations, I don't think I could have hit a man-sized target at more than 10 feet
. I guess that's why there are tens of thousands of rounds fired for every man killed in combat. I'm pretty sure even trained snipers don't get their usual "one shot, one kill" average when things are up close and personal.
VERY minimal with comments like your original. Who gives a damn whether I or anyone else have 2 or 20,000 posts. CGN seniority?
The intention of Fenix's thread (a specific shotting skill set) is to promote the ultimate reason why people need to own guns, and thats if you gov. gets really out of control. Thats the fact whether your man enough to handle that reality or not.
Governments are never out of control friend, they're just not controlled by people like you.
So what you're saying is that this whoop-tee-do new "Guerrilla Sniper" concept is specifically intended for scenarios of armed insurrection. You are in fact training for the purpose of civil war?
Well you have fun with that, but I'm not sure that's the kind of content that CGN wishes to play host to.
Of course I could be wrong.
actually Mohawk that wasnt what i was talking about.. im really just talking about it as a shooting discipline... like Service rifle, but better
ive stated a few times that im not up with the whole SHTF fantasy
ive stated a few times that im not up with the whole SHTF fantasy
Running the show? I thought it wuz some secret society whom burn incense for 15 minutes after sacrificing a chicken. We are all puppets and worthless worms, oh wise one. Tell ya what, you go show them all who's boss, storm Parliament with your Band of Whatevers. I'll be watching it on the TV as I channel surf between the games. Mike Harris is so yesterday, he left years ago...or didn't you know!
But the reality is this shooting discipline stems from citizens having to defend themselves whether thats your intention to promote or not. That is the content of the article.
Running the show? I thought it wuz some secret society whom burn incense for 15 minutes after sacrificing a chicken. We are all puppets and worthless worms, oh wise one. Tell ya what, you go show them all who's boss, storm Parliament with your Band of Whatevers. I'll be watching it on the TV as I channel surf between the games. Mike Harris is so yesterday, he left years ago...or didn't you know!
I'll tell you to go back to sleep but you obviously never woke up. Look at the shiny thing ...
Oh really? Tell that to a massive amount of dead Ukrainians.
Really?? You are endeavoring to establish some twisted logic which compares the vicious orders of a certified sociopath like Stalin to the modern Government of Canada - because they drew up a law which restricts your clip to 5 shots?
Ya, I read some of your previous rants regarding our tyrannical government. I invite you to emigrate to Iran, Syria or Ethiopia. You can rant against our government and play with your shiny unrestricted toys all you want. You can even carry them with you where ever you go too. Better yet, go join a militia or rebel group in south America someplace, that way you can shoot at other people and be shot at - what fun!
What's that?...You don't feel like it? You have a war to fight here? A conspiracy to unveil to the rest of us? Is that so.
Just don't stay up too late, you have school tomorrow.
This is why I use the politically correct route of service condition matches as a marksmanship tool for improvement. Fine I may not be shooting unknown ranges between 600 and 200 or high angle shooting on hill tops but give me a walk through that firing course with that "fun" set up, believe me I do just fine.
We all known what a competent rifleman can do in the event he has to be called to use his tool for lethal force for the causes or ideologies he chooses to defend or aggress. I don't think this forum is the right place for such rhetoric or arousal. We are already dealing with a tool that is very dangerous in wrong hands and in the wrong minds. Don't incite this provocation to go any further please.
We all known what a competent rifleman can do in the event he has to be called to use his tool for lethal force for the causes or ideologies he chooses to defend or aggress. I don't think this forum is the right place for such rhetoric or arousal. We are already dealing with a tool that is very dangerous in wrong hands and in the wrong minds. Don't incite this provocation to go any further please.
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Back on track Fenix, I think that being educated and taught how to properly handle and shoot a firearm proficiently is very worthwhile and beneficial. Learning to shoot at a running deer or learning how to shoot at a moose during a hike or proper breathing techniques would be awesome skills for experienced and novice hunters alike.
Taking that education and training into civilian "Guerrilla Sniper" or the like is a bit over the top and potentially dangerous. The need for a civilian to train to be able to proficiently shoot and kill another human being at 500 or 600 yards is not self defense in any society. In Canada, and I suspect NZ, it is referred to as vigilantism or more plainly, murder. The rifle you choose to use is a moot point.
Taking that education and training into civilian "Guerrilla Sniper" or the like is a bit over the top and potentially dangerous. The need for a civilian to train to be able to proficiently shoot and kill another human being at 500 or 600 yards is not self defense in any society. In Canada, and I suspect NZ, it is referred to as vigilantism or more plainly, murder. The rifle you choose to use is a moot point.
beavis_m305
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Personally I don't give a damn what some one wants to call their rifle. Is it wrong to call a decked out AR a "tactical carbine"? My non gun owning friends think my bolt action hunting rifles are sniper rifles. The anti's hate us anyway and always will, and the majority of the general public don't know any better and probably don't give a damn either way, they're more worried about things they're actually interested in and if you think that using polite buzz words to describe firearms is gonna change their perceptions your kidding yourself. Most people just don't give a #### and will never be "educated" about our guns the way we want them to. Those are my observations from dealing with non - gun owners. The only way people will "turn" is if they actually get interested in guns.
i agree with this Sobo..
and again as ive said i just passed on the info in its original format.. im dont agree with their mindset but i love the skillset
I've read the OP and the article from the American school that's played with this concept.
As a shooting discipline, I think it has a lot to offer to a wide range of people from pure target shooters to hunters. It's amenable to people with a wide range of gear and just reeks of practicality (i.e. shooting offhand, off rucksacks, over varying distances, etc). I could also imagine adapting it to practice with a variety of milsurps equipped with open sites only, and for all of the political correctness about head and torso shots, would throw out that for 500-600 yard shooting that I'd want to at least start with something akin to figure 11 targets anyhow. I highly doubt that I'd ever try to take big game with any of my rifles at that range, much less an old unmodded milsurp, but would be tickled pink if I could consistently hit steel at those ranges with a Swede mauser, enfield or Swiss rifle (or even scoped Stevens or M305).
The guerrilla approbation makes sense in so far as it would be highly presumptuous and technically incorrect to call this the same as military sniper shooting, and have no pretenses of calling myself a sniper, notwithstanding what a Call of Duty fan might use to describe themselves.
To the OP, since it appears as if most of us are of the same mind as to value of the discipline, I'd throw out there that there might be some historic and political reasons for shooters here in Canada wanting to avoid the term guerrilla. We're closer to negative publicity around the private, paramilitary militias that have formed in the US and notwithstanding our differences with the states, have had similar things up here. We've had at least two armed stand offs between the authorities and the native "Warriors Society," as well as the Milice Patriotique Qubecoise which consists of several hundred Quebec residents preparing for independence. Add the annoying factor of certain video games and it kind of makes sense why unapologetically proud firearms owners might be careful about their use of such terminology.
For those of us who might be able to find space in the wilderness, I would wonder how it's practiced in New Zealand. Lacking access to steel plate, especially the size of a torso, or the desire or means to place it deep within the woods, it would be neat to see how sone of the New Zealand shooters have set up to practice this discipline.
As a shooting discipline, I think it has a lot to offer to a wide range of people from pure target shooters to hunters. It's amenable to people with a wide range of gear and just reeks of practicality (i.e. shooting offhand, off rucksacks, over varying distances, etc). I could also imagine adapting it to practice with a variety of milsurps equipped with open sites only, and for all of the political correctness about head and torso shots, would throw out that for 500-600 yard shooting that I'd want to at least start with something akin to figure 11 targets anyhow. I highly doubt that I'd ever try to take big game with any of my rifles at that range, much less an old unmodded milsurp, but would be tickled pink if I could consistently hit steel at those ranges with a Swede mauser, enfield or Swiss rifle (or even scoped Stevens or M305).
The guerrilla approbation makes sense in so far as it would be highly presumptuous and technically incorrect to call this the same as military sniper shooting, and have no pretenses of calling myself a sniper, notwithstanding what a Call of Duty fan might use to describe themselves.
To the OP, since it appears as if most of us are of the same mind as to value of the discipline, I'd throw out there that there might be some historic and political reasons for shooters here in Canada wanting to avoid the term guerrilla. We're closer to negative publicity around the private, paramilitary militias that have formed in the US and notwithstanding our differences with the states, have had similar things up here. We've had at least two armed stand offs between the authorities and the native "Warriors Society," as well as the Milice Patriotique Qubecoise which consists of several hundred Quebec residents preparing for independence. Add the annoying factor of certain video games and it kind of makes sense why unapologetically proud firearms owners might be careful about their use of such terminology.
For those of us who might be able to find space in the wilderness, I would wonder how it's practiced in New Zealand. Lacking access to steel plate, especially the size of a torso, or the desire or means to place it deep within the woods, it would be neat to see how sone of the New Zealand shooters have set up to practice this discipline.
beavis_m305
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I have a reasonably open area to shoot on public land, with safe back stops and lots of different places to put targets and shoot from
Sorry about the picture bomb
Sorry about the picture bomb
Really?? You are endeavoring to establish some twisted logic which compares the vicious orders of a certified sociopath like Stalin to the modern Government of Canada - because they drew up a law which restricts your clip to 5 shots?
Ya, I read some of your previous rants regarding our tyrannical government. I invite you to emigrate to Iran, Syria or Ethiopia. You can rant against our government and play with your shiny unrestricted toys all you want. You can even carry them with you where ever you go too. Better yet, go join a militia or rebel group in south America someplace, that way you can shoot at other people and be shot at - what fun!
What's that?...You don't feel like it? You have a war to fight here? A conspiracy to unveil to the rest of us? Is that so.
Your so pathetically ignorant its dangerous. Shame on you for being so stupid.
You OBVIOUSLY suck up everything your force fed on CNN & the History channel.
Just ordered "Fry The Brain" by John West jr...looking forward to seeing what all the fuss is about. Fenix, you kiwi pot stirrer...to you I say,"Arm the Maoris!" I'll bet they could make the Gurkhas blanche ;-)
