Game Photography........is it possible to look at it again?

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track said:
Here is a hunter I guided from Scottsdale, Arizona who had taken this beautiful Shiras bull moose. Propped him up, whiped off the blood from his nose/mouth and tried to find a good background setting and it only took 5 minutes................a flash in time compared to finding/hunting him and packing it out on horse. I love photography and after 15 to 20 photos usually there is only two or three that is favoured. Good clean photo's will only help the hunting world among hunters and non-hunters. Take it as a positive and not a negative.
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Excellent photos, but I disagree that it does anything in reagrds to convincing the non hunting public.

Antis wont give a ****. Dead is dead is dead, they will protest and hate you no matter how good it looks. Fence sitters are smart enough to know that as pretty as it looks, its still dead. They wont be convinced of anything by a pretty picture either.
 
blasted_saber said:
Excellent photos, but I disagree that it does anything in reagrds to convincing the non hunting public.

Antis wont give a ****. Dead is dead is dead, they will protest and hate you no matter how good it looks. Fence sitters are smart enough to know that as pretty as it looks, its still dead. They wont be convinced of anything by a pretty picture either.
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Your saying that the antis will protest and hate me? Well, I really don't have to look to far to be protested against or hated, I found it right here on this thread.........from hunters.;)
 
Ardent said:
Just giving you a hard time, stems from the Metis thread and combative shots at those of us spending lots of money on hunting. ;) You have a strong set of opinions, and so do I. Don't worry about people that smile, the only hidden agenda is they're just... happy. :)

In the end, we're all hunting, and this is a good thing. Blasted, I note the compass- I like it. GPS is for pilots and other sissies.
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Fair enough :) That being said....dont include yourself in those who I have taken shots at for spending lots on hunting. I dont recall you ever giving me that impression cause you dont come off as a bragger. ( just hard headed like myself :p ) I have never saw you post any ignorant crap about others equipment being "junk" because its not as expensive or the brand that you use. There are only a couple of those guys on this site.
 
Ardent said:
Just giving you a hard time, stems from the Metis thread and combative shots at those of us spending lots of money on hunting. ;) You have a strong set of opinions, and so do I. Don't worry about people that smile, the only hidden agenda is they're just... happy. :)

In the end, we're all hunting, and this is a good thing. Blasted, I note the compass- I like it. GPS is for pilots and other sissies.
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GPS marks your spot.... compass actually gets you there and back.....lol
 
All I know is that my wife is a very good example of what effect 'certain' pictures have on non-hunters. Over the years, when looking at the photos from my hunts, she has no issues until the 'blood and guts' photos come up. She walks away and has no time at all for ANY of them. However those that are done with 'dignity' - 'Hey that's a nice moose...deer....bear....etc".

This coming from the same women who, for the first time, spent a couple of hours out in the garage with me last fall helping to butcher my deer.

She's not an anti and not a fence sitter, but I bet she reflects the some of the fence sitter view.
 
track said:
Your saying that the antis will protest and hate me? Well, I really don't have to look to far to be protested against or hated, I found it right here on this thread.........from hunters.;)
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Track... although I share many of your views as far as animal presentation I would like to say that your classifying everyone who shoots a .30-06 instead of a 280AI a "spectator" followed by calling people "rednecks" if they don't conform to your views on animal photo presentation likely isn't getting you very far....

People also take exception to it when folks use camera trickery to make their animals look larger than they really are.... which you show in spades... since you respect the animals so much why try and exxagerate their features... you have some magnificent specimens there why not show them for what they are?...
 
blasted_saber said:
Excellent photos, but I disagree that it does anything in reagrds to convincing the non hunting public.

Antis wont give a ****. Dead is dead is dead, they will protest and hate you no matter how good it looks. Fence sitters are smart enough to know that as pretty as it looks, its still dead. They wont be convinced of anything by a pretty picture either.
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I actually like your photo with the doe, a hunter's success is on your face. I respect you and what you have to say, and even understand what you mean and why you're saying it, but unfortunately you're dead wrong. Image is everything, and how something is presented can make or break public opinion. Hell it makes or breaks even my wife's opinion, and she comes hunting and brings warm water when I'm gutting and skinning in November. Just look at how effective marketing is, it's taking over our world and can even sell us utter trash and make us smile as we walk away with it. That said, I don't find your photo distasteful and want to be clear I'm talking about the truly garish hunting photos.

Winston Churchill said it best, "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." Unfortunately for us, the "average voter" isn't a hunter, and quite often, are none too sharp and bright. Or at least, they don't think and rationalize like we'd like to optimistically presume they will. You're giving them too much credit I feel- they are all too often not smart enough to rationalize a hunting photo as "dead is dead", pretty photo or ugly. They also don't know what happened to put the hamburger in their hamburger helper (reference the spike in vegetarianism following "Food Inc" etc). No we don't have to outright sensor our photos, stage everything and act- but a little tact goes an extremely long way. See the asinine photo of the fellow and the bear at the end of the large game pics thread at present. He's just kidding and likely not the sharpest blade in the drawer, but your average suburban soccer mom won't see it that way.

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All I know is that my wife is a very good example of what effect 'certain' pictures have on non-hunters. Over the years, when looking at the photos from my hunts, she has no issues until the 'blood and guts' photos come up. She walks away and has no time at all for ANY of them. However those that are done with 'dignity' - 'Hey that's a nice moose...deer....bear....etc".

This coming from the same women who, for the first time, spent a couple of hours out in the garage with me last fall helping to butcher my deer.

She's not an anti and not a fence sitter, but I bet she reflects the some of the fence sitter view.
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100% agree, my wife is the same. She'll even come hunting with me and assist in field dressing (bringing hot water etc as mentioned above), but if she sees some hunter's garish bloodied up animal pic, she gets the cringe reflex and walks away. She's not squemish, it's just life, and she's even on our team.

sksavenger said:
Fair enough :) That being said....dont include yourself in those who I have taken shots at for spending lots on hunting. I dont recall you ever giving me that impression cause you dont come off as a bragger. ( just hard headed like myself :p ) I have never saw you post any ignorant crap about others equipment being "junk" because its not as expensive or the brand that you use. There are only a couple of those guys on this site.
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:) Be warned, you may stumble across some hostile posts as I do have a hatred for Remington rifles, burned by Big Green and the bad taste lingers. ;)

Superbrad said:
GPS marks your spot.... compass actually gets you there and back.....lol
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Indeed!
 
Superbrad said:
Track... although I share many of your views as far as animal presentation I would like to say that your classifying everyone who shoots a .30-06 instead of a 280AI a "spectator" followed by calling people "rednecks" if they don't conform to your views on animal photo presentation likely isn't getting you very far....

People also take exception to it when folks use camera trickery to make their animals look larger than they really are.... which you show in spades... since you respect the animals so much why try and exxagerate their features... you have some magnificent specimens there why not show them for what they are?...
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I don't talk the talk, I walk the walk. I displayed photo's from a hunter for other hunters for the good of hunting and to pass on good ethics when in the field. I don't know why on talk forums people are so concerned about the antis when the antis are right here among ourselves. There are a few guys that have a chip on their shoulders or naturally miserable. They are the ones who never smile and it shows in their negative comments. (sometimes read the book by it's cover)

I've had many successes in life and hunting where many big game animals have fallen in front of me, and it shows through my photographs of how content I am with these past experiences. I'm not psychic therefore, I don't know why rednecks are what they are, however; they can continue what they do best and that is being negative, and I will continue posting photo's and talking about fine firearms.

In the mean time, here is a young kid from Scotsdale, Arizona who I guided and where he harvested a beautiful bull Shiras bull moose. Couldn't get a great background shot because the bull fell dead in the bush, however; managed to get the animal up and clean off any blood around its mouth. Also wished that I got that backpack out of the way. I believe that the real antis will like my posts than the regular negative rednecks.
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Ardent said:
If you've read many of sksscavenger's and canadianhunter's posts, you'll come to see one has a perpetual chip on his shoulder and dislikes smiling immensely, and the other is about 17. I'm just guessing however on the latter however and may be proved wrong. So you just don't worry about it too much is what I'm saying, :p
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I've read them all and I hear ya, it's just like :bangHead:

don't see why there's such a big deal over what the next guy shoots, I have Savage rifles and am about to get another one in the next week or so and what anyone else shoots or can afford don't bother me one bit, some guy's should just learn to relax
 
track said:
I don't talk the talk, I walk the walk. I displayed photo's from a hunter for other hunters for the good of hunting and to pass on good ethics when in the field. I don't know why on talk forums people are so concerned about the antis when the antis are right here among ourselves. There are a few guys that have a chip on their shoulders or naturally miserable. They are the ones who never smile and it shows in their negative comments. (sometimes read the book by it's cover)

I've had many successes in life and hunting where many big game animals have fallen in front of me, and it shows through my photographs of how content I am with these past experiences. I'm not psychic therefore, I don't know why rednecks are what they are, however; they can continue what they do best and that is being negative, and I will continue posting photo's and talking about fine firearms.

In the mean time, here is a young kid from Scotsdale, Arizona who I guided and where he harvested a beautiful bull Shiras bull moose. Couldn't get a great background shot because the bull fell dead in the bush, however; managed to get the animal up and clean off any blood around its mouth. Also wished that I got that backpack out of the way. I believe that the real antis will like my posts than the regular negative rednecks.
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Track.... may I submit that perhaps some of your posts may offend others who have not had your opportunities or successes?.... For example, not everyone can afford to reload or shoot a tailored to their game firearm... only one that is adequate for the job.... it i smore important that they practice with it to make a humane kill.... also, their pictures are their pictures and, while I personally prefer my pictures tasteful hunting draws blood, it kills things... as long as pictures do not glorify that part of the sport I have no issue with them... not my choice but not mine to judge....

I consider myself fairly successful.. I have a good job and a great family.... I live in southeast ontario and as such , land here is expensive... I am faced with a choice... crown land or permissions and a safe full of fine firearms or a large tract of land and a safe with a dozen or so decent rifles and shotguns in it.... I chose the latter.... Does that make me a redneck or less of a hunter or a "spectator".... I have 400 acres... I manage my game, I have ample turkey, deer, waterfowl access, grouse predator....

All I am saying is that someone who becomes an "eliteist" due to their means or judges others in the sport with a gauge most can't live up to is just as harmful as an anti....

BTW my fave pic is one of me when I was 16 holding up a ruffie with my high school chum beside me and us wielding a pair of cooey single shot 12's..... lol... maybe I am bias?
 
Ardent, track, and the others who know what this thread was about, I thank you for contributing, much appreciated.

Ardent, I do like your photos, they are in good taste, and show respect for the animal. That is what this thread was about,,,,,respect for the animal that you have harvested. The only thing a game animal owns is its life.....don't take that life lightly or in vain....

track, I also like your photos.......they jog my memory of good hunts too. You are wise with your camera (no familiar mountain, land marks in the background) ....

And to the other contributators who realized that this thread was not about being offended by hunting, but about taking a few minutes to try something different when it comes to remembering your hunt.

The camera is all seeing......many so-called hunting photos are nothing else than a photo of the so-called hunters ego.......remove the ego from your photos and you may have a pleasent suprise when you view them.......your choice, your call, your memories.
 
I welcome myself back to the thread, damn work gets in the way!!!

I see for the most part that the personal jabs are slowing up, more humane - less entertaining.

Folks are speaking of the anti attitude and stereo types of hunters.I believe with the right tactful and courteous attitudes we could possible turn some of these folks into occasional shooters and even some into hunters.The main group we want to reach are people who aren't anti but haven't given the shooting sports much thought.These are the ones we want to embrace and encourage to try our past time.

Some of us disagree with photo presentation within this group and the attitudes of other hunters.What fits for one may not fit for another but I say this, how something is presented to someone greatly effects their perception of the people involved in it and their morals.

I am not putting myself on a pedestal but when I do encounter new people or possibly new shooters I try to make things as non-shocking as possible, keep it civil and relaxed with no attitude.I have seen non-shooters shoot and non-hunters hunt.

Since I haven't posed with a trophy animal I am kind of on the sidelines here bit I do believe everything can and should be done in good taste.

As for equipment snobs, well some folks have big ego and just have to spend more than the next guy.It don't make ya a better shooter or better hunter, actually the guy that spends the least is likely the best hunter(pointy stick for example);)

Personally, I do not believe in bragging or displaying my harvests.To me that is saying look what I shot and you didn't, again this is just my views.I do like seeing live pictures of animals in their natural habitat.

Think I am done for now.
 
Superbrad said:
Track.... may I submit that perhaps some of your posts may offend others who have not had your opportunities or successes?.... For example, not everyone can afford to reload or shoot a tailored to their game firearm... only one that is adequate for the job.... it i smore important that they practice with it to make a humane kill.... also, their pictures are their pictures and, while I personally prefer my pictures tasteful hunting draws blood, it kills things... as long as pictures do not glorify that part of the sport I have no issue with them... not my choice but not mine to judge....

I consider myself fairly successful.. I have a good job and a great family.... I live in southeast ontario and as such , land here is expensive... I am faced with a choice... crown land or permissions and a safe full of fine firearms or a large tract of land and a safe with a dozen or so decent rifles and shotguns in it.... I chose the latter.... Does that make me a redneck or less of a hunter or a "spectator".... I have 400 acres... I manage my game, I have ample turkey, deer, waterfowl access, grouse predator....

All I am saying is that someone who becomes an "eliteist" due to their means or judges others in the sport with a gauge most can't live up to is just as harmful as an anti....

BTW my fave pic is one of me when I was 16 holding up a ruffie with my high school chum beside me and us wielding a pair of cooey single shot 12's..... lol... maybe I am bias?
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I believe that you and others have either mis-read or took my statements out of context. First of all, when I refer to rednecks, they are directed to the poster with the negative comments regarding my post or someone else's post. If there are personal attacks towards me with condescending comments I will sterotype them as rednecks.
There are exaggerated, fictitious, numb scull comments regarding my photo's being altered (position of hunter relative to animal) to make the animal appear larger than what it is. Some people got to get a life............I don't know where or why people say these things.
Moreover, I have no clue what the finances are of members on this forum. If they do not have fine, top end firearms, then that is no fault of my own. If I own Coopers, Weatherbys, Sakos, Merkels or Blasers then good for me.....they were not gifted, I earned them. I don't drink, smoke, gamble, take illegal drugs or cheat on my wife. All of my leisure money is directed towards fine firearms and hunting trips.
I did not judge one photo on this entire forum, nor say anything about their methods of photos, however I was judged by rednecks for unknown reasons that I look down on people because I'm arrogant and ignorant. :confused:
 
Ardent said:
:) Be warned, you may stumble across some hostile posts as I do have a hatred for Remington rifles, burned by Big Green and the bad taste lingers. ;)
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I accept that because you have obviously had experience with them leading to your opinion. Not like some on here that "held one in a store once....they are junk" or "my ex wifes second cousins coworkers step daughters boyfriends dad had one and it was junk"
 
track said:
I believe that you and others have either mis-read or took my statements out of context. First of all, when I refer to rednecks, they are directed to the poster with the negative comments regarding my post or someone else's post. If there are personal attacks towards me with condescending comments I will sterotype them as rednecks.
There are exaggerated, fictitious, numb scull comments regarding my photo's being altered (position of hunter relative to animal) to make the animal appear larger than what it is. Some people got to get a life............I don't know where or why people say these things.
Moreover, I have no clue what the finances are of members on this forum. If they do not have fine, top end firearms, then that is no fault of my own. If I own Coopers, Weatherbys, Sakos, Merkels or Blasers then good for me.....they were not gifted, I earned them. I don't drink, smoke, gamble, take illegal drugs or cheat on my wife. All of my leisure money is directed towards fine firearms and hunting trips.
I did not judge one photo on this entire forum, nor say anything about their methods of photos, however I was judged by rednecks for unknown reasons that I look down on people because I'm arrogant and ignorant. :confused:
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Track... I want to make a disclaimer here... I like you.... I like your pictures and I really do admire your respect for your quarry... respect for quarry is number one in my book....

I just want to submit that growing the sport means embracing everyone who participates... whether it be a half dozen squirrels on a blanket or a trophy whitetail... we are all hunters... if we all take our game within legal limits and with respect then we are all hunters in spite of or including our means....

I do think there is a "disconnect" between your view and that of some here based on your level of firearm, knowledge and access to trophy animals... I just want to put it out there that we are all hunters and we have to respect eachother and grow the sport....

My point is that hunting is not about finances... It is about ethically harvesting animals through sport...

so whether you use a purdy side by side with a 4 figure value or a cooey 84 you bought off the ee for 100 dollars.. you are still ahunter and we as brothers need to stand together...
 
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