TULLE ? About to be destroyed...

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A friend of mine on the force just sent me a couple of pics of what appears to be a TULLE [only marking] Charleville musket ~ it very closely resembles this here minus the sling clasp in front of the trigger guard [the only difference I can spot - broken?]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleville_musket

Anyway - it was "undeliverable" in the mail, and she has to send it off for destruction, I was just curious as to what it's ballpark value may be.

-thanks
-sean
 
If its an antique (or even a repro) why are they destroying i!!!

If an antique and depending on the condition of course, it could easily be worth between 1-2k if not more. Some of the high end repros are in th 2-3k range.

More importantly, these are a big piece of Canadian history.

There should be no reqr to have a license or to register it

Christ - tell her to send it to me!
 
Damn... yes. I guess when the police come into possession of a firearm like that they have to destroy it...

I did try pointing out that it ~might~ not technically be considered a 'firearm' .

damn.
 
WTF - how does undeliverable mail end up with the police? No return address??

Answer to price depends on condition and exact markings, but more than $500 most likely, and can be far far far far far more than that if it's original or a nice reproduction.
 
WTF - does she work at the post office or something?

Nope - Police.... she basically has no choice as to what to do with it.
She said it was 'broken' but not specifically ~how~ if 'broken' can be considered 'deactivated' then maybe she can possibly at least get it into auction/lost and found or something.

crying shame...
 
more news:

"was going to get a request to unit commander to have it not destroyed - but the gun guy there thinks it is a replica because the wood is not hardwood."

any clues on how to distinguish for sure?
 
If she has sent it to the cops, call them. They have no business destroying it. If they do, I would look into recompense.

It should be returned to sender as a min.

Re original vs repro, doesn't matter. If it is a flint lock long arm then it ain't subject to the firearms act (unless it is used in a crime I believe). Check to see if there is a touch hole drilled through at the breech. ie right next to the pan into the barrel
 
No firearm belonging to the government can be transferred to anyone other than another government agency. Antiques occupy a sort of dual status because they are firearms if used in a crime and they also apparently are firearms if in the possession of a person banned from owning firearms. We had a case locally, several years ago, where a person was penalized for possessing antiques while banned from owning firearms.
In this case I don't understand why it is the posession of the police unless there was no return address and an incorrect destination. Perhaps in that case it becomes property of Canada Post which is a crown agency I presume

cheers mooncoon
 
I realize this is beyond our control but it drives me nuts to hear about this... If it is an original, then at least have it put in a museum because this musket then is, as stated above, a piece of Canadian history.

If the RCMP as an federal agent (meaning the agency as an entity & it's policies - I recognize individuals within the RCMP do have an appreciation of & for Canadian history, this is not a commentary aimed at them as individuals) does not take pride in our collective history, then that agency should be found to owe a fiduciary to Canadians with respect to the preservation of our history and heritage. Having it placed in a museum would not be an onerous or unreasonable step to take.

Just my two cents there...
 
Well there is good news, she managed to get it submitted to the property office & their gun guy will look at it, if it's an antique it will not be destroyed - look for it in the next police auction [Toronto] :)

if it is a reproduction... well, no big deal then.

-sean
 
gun guy there thinks it is a replica because the wood is not hardwood

Amusingly, unless it isn't made to be fired, it'd still be considered an antique. Reason being that flintlock rifles (not pistols) fall under some specific category... archaic or some word starting with a P comes to mind. Anyways, flintlock rifles (and matchlocks) aren't considered firearms unless used in crimes, unlike all other firearms. Therefore, unless the gun in question is made without a bored out barrel, or is very very very clearly not meant to be fired, it's basically an antique.

Also, to further cloud the issue many modern made middle and low end flintlocks are shipped to the buyer without the vent being drilled, because of the laws in the country where the gun was produced place extra restrictions on fully functional guns. In Canada however, they're still considered flintlocks and not replicas, because we can't have replicas, but can have flintlocks.... welcome to the gongshow.\\


P.S. The police are not known to be knowledgeable on guns... even modern ones, and even specialists. His statement on it not being hardwood could be correct... except that it could be a rebuilt gun using original parts and a reproduction stock, so he'd need to check the stamps... and I know nothing of these guns or the wood that's currently on it... who knows if he even knows what wood is on it, or if light coloured hardwoods were used when it was made, or it was refinished.... basically, get pictures from your friend, detailed well lit pictures of the whole gun and of any particular markings on the lock, butt, butt plate or around the breech of the barrel, then post them on here and people will be able to tell exactly what it is. Failing that, get her to take some very detailed notes of what she sees. The devil is in the details on old guns.
 
Well - it finally went into property & the guy there decided it was a replica, so it went for destruction. Whatever it was, it's gone now....

-sean
 
And just HOW any murders down on Jane and Finch did the destruction of a 250-year-old FLINTLOCK prevent?

Just think: we actually PAY TAXES to support this kind of insane decision!
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It is a firearm - antique status just mean you don't need a license to possess it and is exempt of registration.

IAW CCC Section 84(3)

(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:

(a) any antique firearm;
 
IAW CCC Section 84(3)

(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:

(a) any antique firearm;

But it is considered a firearms for the purpose of every other sections.
 
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