Update on rifle status at WCRA

They are close to me and I was checking them out a few months ago, nice people, but seem more a bullseye and silhouette club. I asked about rifle and I was told "we let members sight in their hunting rifles".
A friend joined, he likes it a lot, but he only shoots pistol.
 
I'd say it is time to find a new club. Write a well worded letter to the executive letting them know that this decision will mean lost members. Which of course means lost revenue for the club. Let them know how disappointed you are in their decisions regarding the safe use of rifles. Go so far as to let them know that lever actions and 22lr RIFLES count in their ban.
 
Buy yourself a nice little RRA 9mm pistol ar-15 and blast away... when they come to bug you just slap it's pistol registration card in their face and tell them to #### off. And while you're at it get a .223 version also..

SO by their own definition they can argue all they want but last time i checked .223 was not a military ammunition and a RRA 7.5 inch barrel ar is registered as pistols ( well mine are)...
 
Lets face it no amount of letter writing or complaining will change anything in the club. If another person from the club saw this thread, it will be impossible to change anything because the executive already knows about it.
The old guard club members get cautious or paranoid about younger guys and their toys.
I have run into a few over the years, they have two standards one for their friends and one for the others. Like letting a friend shoot on a range with a rifle without a trigger guard, while another person gets Sh*t about something minor. One club even changed the constitution so the 3 charter members wouldn't loose control.
Its an up hill battle.
 
While this attitude infuriates me and many others, it should be stated that you actually joined a "handgun" club, not a rifle club. It clearly states on their homepage that they are a handgun club, and, those are the rules. If this was a matter of a club that had rifle and handgun, I'd definitely agree that membership and effort would be required to change attitudes and minds, but, here it's quite clear you joined the wrong club.
 
pb_blade said:
I appreciate you taking the time to explain this, though there are points I'm still at odds with.

Firstly so we're clear, whats this "military ammo" being spoken of? I'm shooting .223 / .308 lead bullets with copper jackets with standard brass cases which I pick up religiously
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Its the guys with the SKS's and all the cheap steel core ammo (hence all the cheap steel 7.62x39 you see laying around that they never pickup). And yes its a matter of people being idiots. Stapling a target to the posts or shooting at the silhouettes is not allowed.

And as I had stated. I know who you ran into (its 1 of 2 guys whom actually shoot together and are friends etc) but as I stated, he doesn't have a clue. Next time, do not allow some random member to dictate terms to you. Ask if hes on the board or in any "actual" position to tell you what is and what is not allowed. If he still has a problem, leave him your name and membership number and tell him to take it up with the board, pres or vice etc...

Also... If you actually read any of the signs placed at each range that informs you what the range is certified for you'd notice with center fire rifle it states (Handgun Caliber!).

As well, Cameras are being installed on the inside range due to it being shot to hell as well. Holes in the roof, chunks out of the ground. People putting targets on the rail road ties on the floor or hanging IPSC and PPC stuff which sits to low and therefor, does not impact the back spot as required.
 
Jefro said:
Its the guys with the SKS's and all the cheap steel core ammo (hence all the cheap steel 7.62x39 you see laying around that they never pickup). And yes its a matter of people being idiots. Stapling a target to the posts or shooting at the silhouettes is not allowed.

And as I had stated. I know who you ran into (its 1 of 2 guys whom actually shoot together and are friends etc) but as I stated, he doesn't have a clue. Next time, do not allow some random member to dictate terms to you. Ask if hes on the board or in any "actual" position to tell you what is and what is not allowed. If he still has a problem, leave him your name and membership number and tell him to take it up with the board, pres or vice etc...

Also... If you actually read any of the signs placed at each range that informs you what the range is certified for you'd notice with center fire rifle it states (Handgun Caliber!).

As well, Cameras are being installed on the inside range due to it being shot to hell as well. Holes in the roof, chunks out of the ground. People putting targets on the rail road ties on the floor or hanging IPSC and PPC stuff which sits to low and therefor, does not impact the back spot as required.
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So some people don't have the consideration to pick up their 7.62x39 steel casings, the same seems to happen with .22 brass. But I don't see what that has to do with the recent action against rifle shooting. Unless I'm mis-understanding and in fact my .223/.308 are not under this military ammo category and I'm free to shoot my Tavor with impunity. Though the bulletin still has me at the rifle sighting statement as I am not sighting in my rifle, I will be shooting it.

As for my encounter with the older gentleman, I did not allow him to dictate terms to me (If I allowed random guys to dictate what I should or shouldn't be shooting I'd have stopped bringing my Tavor out there long ago), he referenced the latest bulletin which I had not yet read which is why I gave him the benefit of the doubt that there was some legitimacy to what he was saying. And as it turns out, though the bulletin doesn't say anything about automatics, the message is the same, the 100m is for sighting in rifles. As this is not a rifle club, it is a PISTOL club.

Also the bulletin clearly states that "The silhouette range was approved for the rifle calibers so that members could sight in their hunting rifles". Though I do know what you're talking about with regard to the other ranges that are approved for rifles shooting pistol calibers.

That's a good idea about the cameras, hopefully it'll deter the negligent shooters. That being said, it seems the solution to negligent pistol shooters is installing cameras, so... it would make sense to apply the same solution to negligent rifle shooters would it not?
 
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SPRTN308 said:
While this attitude infuriates me and many others, it should be stated that you actually joined a "handgun" club, not a rifle club. It clearly states on their homepage that they are a handgun club, and, those are the rules. If this was a matter of a club that had rifle and handgun, I'd definitely agree that membership and effort would be required to change attitudes and minds, but, here it's quite clear you joined the wrong club.
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If we're splitting hairs it's also a Revolver association.... with the two crossed revolvers on the logo. I'm not saying it's not within the board's rights to not allow rifle shooting I'll abide by it, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. This is a club with facilities to handle rifle fire (one range approved for rifle calibers). Members and even some who I think I recognize as past or present board members have shot rifles on this range since the very beginning (given the early photos on the club website). So this argument about it being a "Pistol club" feels like a convenient justification rather than the actual reason.
 
Jefro said:
Its the guys with the SKS's and all the cheap steel core ammo (hence all the cheap steel 7.62x39 you see laying around that they never pickup).
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I think you're confusing steel jacketed with steel cored. 7.62x39 is very rare in steel cored, especially the surplus stuff (i don't know where you'd even get it). I hope this steel cord assumption isnt coming from something like the extremely stupid "magnet test".
 
Find a different range (if possible). Ask for a partial refund when you leave. In time, your old range will shut down as the old guard retires.

My local range refuses to get certified to shoot steel plates (bring your own). All they have to do is build the proper backstop.

I will renew at one about 45 minutes away that does allow steel targets.
 
Pule said:
I think you're confusing steel jacketed with steel cored. 7.62x39 is very rare in steel cored, especially the surplus stuff (i don't know where you'd even get it). I hope this steel cord assumption isnt coming from something like the extremely stupid "magnet test".
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All the surplus M43 is steel core, except Yugo m67, which is very rare in Canada
 
Problems with people shooting surplus steel casing and not picking up?

Ask your club to buy a couple of magnetic sweepers or just buy one and donated to your club, cleaning steel casing with a sweeper is 10 times easier than brass.

it is a no brainer ;)
 
pb_blade said:
So some people don't have the consideration to pick up their 7.62x39 steel casings, the same seems to happen with .22 brass. But I don't see what that has to do with the recent action against rifle shooting. Unless I'm mis-understanding and in fact my .223/.308 are not under this military ammo category and I'm free to shoot my Tavor with impunity. Though the bulletin still has me at the rifle sighting statement as I am not sighting in my rifle, I will be shooting it.

As for my encounter with the older gentleman, I did not allow him to dictate terms to me (If I allowed random guys to dictate what I should or shouldn't be shooting I'd have stopped bringing my Tavor out there long ago), he referenced the latest bulletin which I had not yet read which is why I gave him the benefit of the doubt that there was some legitimacy to what he was saying. And as it turns out, though the bulletin doesn't say anything about automatics, the message is the same, the 100m is for sighting in rifles. As this is not a rifle club, it is a PISTOL club.

Also the bulletin clearly states that "The silhouette range was approved for the rifle calibers so that members could sight in their hunting rifles". Though I do know what you're talking about with regard to the other ranges that are approved for rifles shooting pistol calibers.

That's a good idea about the cameras, hopefully it'll deter the negligent shooters. That being said, it seems the solution to negligent pistol shooters is installing cameras, so... it would make sense to apply the same solution to negligent rifle shooters would it not?
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The point of the whole rifle/sighting in/pistol club in the news letter was to inform people (rather then point blame) that someone is not conducting themselves accordingly. Stapling a target to the bunker post then rapid firing 200rnds of steel core ammo through an SKS is not acceptable. They just choose to go about it and word it differently. In regards to the brass left behind. I didn't mean anything by it, just informing you that the 7.62x39 crap is what the problem is and its evident from it laying all over @ 25m.

What I mean by the range being approved for Rifles shooting pistol calibers is for the silhouettes themselves. Members have been shooting at them and the 100m gong and punching holes through them.

And yes, word is cameras are going outside on the ranges as well as inside so we will be able to catch these people or at least detour people from doing stupid #### since they know their on camera.

As of now, nothing has been banned. Black rifles are still allowed. You can shoot up to .50cal on the silhouette range. They just do not want people spraying and praying hundreds of rounds.
 
was it in the range rules when you applied that rifles or rifle caliber rifles (?) are a no-go?


If not I'd consider asking for a pro-rated refund of your dues, as they no longer allow your shooting discipline.

Such a substantial change in the rule book should have been voted on at an AGM, not arbitrarily by a BoD.

Good luck man.
 
Jefro said:
The point of the whole rifle/sighting in/pistol club in the news letter was to inform people (rather then point blame) that someone is not conducting themselves accordingly. Stapling a target to the bunker post then rapid firing 200rnds of steel core ammo through an SKS is not acceptable. They just choose to go about it and word it differently. In regards to the brass left behind. I didn't mean anything by it, just informing you that the 7.62x39 crap is what the problem is and its evident from it laying all over @ 25m.

What I mean by the range being approved for Rifles shooting pistol calibers is for the silhouettes themselves. Members have been shooting at them and the 100m gong and punching holes through them.

And yes, word is cameras are going outside on the ranges as well as inside so we will be able to catch these people or at least detour people from doing stupid s**t since they know their on camera.

As of now, nothing has been banned. Black rifles are still allowed. You can shoot up to .50cal on the silhouette range. They just do not want people spraying and praying hundreds of rounds.
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Hey man, thanks for clearing this up. I certainly agree that stapling targets to the posts and opening fire is unacceptable since the post is neither inside the bunker nor an approved target. Glad to hear the cameras are going up, hopefully that'll discourage some members from ruining it for the rest of us. About black rifles or any rifle for that matter being shot, any idea if an update's going to be posted in the club house to this effect? I'm glad to hear it's allowed, but I'm foreseeing people still thinking we're only a pistol club with only rifle sighting to be allowed in light of the newsletter
 
pb_blade said:
Hey man, thanks for clearing this up. I certainly agree that stapling targets to the posts and opening fire is unacceptable since the post is neither inside the bunker nor an approved target. Glad to hear the cameras are going up, hopefully that'll discourage some members from ruining it for the rest of us. About black rifles or any rifle for that matter being shot, any idea if an update's going to be posted in the club house to this effect? I'm glad to hear it's allowed, but I'm foreseeing people still thinking we're only a pistol club with only rifle sighting to be allowed in light of the newsletter
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You'll have to ask our President about whether or not a letter will be posted in the club house to inform everyone what is and what isn't allowed etc... but it would certainly be a good idea.

Future reference, make sure you have the President and Vice Presidents phone numbers and if you ever have an issue simply call one of them and they'll sort it out right away.
 
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