######## had a table set up at the last gunshow in Maple Creeks Sk. His semi auto Mk II's for sale were advertised at $1,850.00. I just couldn't justify spending the money on something that I wouldn't get that much use out of.
Interesting video about the Sten gun
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The only real difference between Sten (MP28ii) mags and MP38/40 mags is the front to back length of the body.
Basically just the depth of the spacer web in the back of the mag (perfectly seen in the pic).
Basically the designers of the MP38 adopted Hugo Schmeisser's habit of changing the mag of each upgraded gun so the the mags of the previous model would not fit and function ~ whether the mags were actually an improvement or not.
MP18, MP18i, MP28i, MP28ii
Well explained in a number of articles some years ago in SAR magazine.
Piles of them in the local surplus store. 9.95 each Now, we just need someone like Mr. Turpin to try his hand at automobile design.
Grizz
Accuracy of Sten..
My 43 LB when fired singe shot can hit a pop can at 20 yards. It always surprised me how well it shot. In terms of shooting accuracy, both single and full auto, I do not find it any different than my sterling. But the Sterling (also Canadian made) is a much nicer piece of kit. I have heard I can use Sten mags in the Sterling, but have not tried.
My 43 LB when fired singe shot can hit a pop can at 20 yards. It always surprised me how well it shot. In terms of shooting accuracy, both single and full auto, I do not find it any different than my sterling. But the Sterling (also Canadian made) is a much nicer piece of kit. I have heard I can use Sten mags in the Sterling, but have not tried.
It's been done. The current crop of inexpensive simple blowback carbines are out there. Keltec Sub 2000, EMF's JR Carbine and the Thureon Defense carbine.
I've shot the 2000 and JR belonging to shooting buddys. Both are a lot of fun. And being intended to use handgun magazines both are fun 10 round shooters. The Thureon appeals to me a little more though. I'm just waiting on it coming out in a version which uses handgun magazines. Fair warning though. They'll run up the ammo budget by an alarming amount...
They are not cheap though. At least not at the stores. In terms of cost to manufacture they ARE cheap. But then we modern consumers require a nicely finished look. Also I suspect a LOT of the cost of modern firearms is due to the need for expensive insurance coverage. Then there's the healthy share taken by the distribution chain. So our $800 JR Carbine likely comes out the factory door with something like a $400 to $500 price tag. The rest piles up from transport, distributors and the gun shop themselves all wanting to make a profit. Oh, and let's not forget the extra costs for time and effort filling out the forms to allow them to come into Canada. The distributors/importers don't do that nonsense for free. So the roughly $500US to $600US gun converts to up around $800 for us up here in Canada.
In terms of actual material, labour, machine time, rent and utilities costs for the factory the cost is likely somewhere around $200 to the factory. The rest of the factory net cost being profit margin and insurance costs.
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OK... I was aware of the Kel Tec being super simple.. but for some reason I always though of JR Carbines and Thureon Defense Carbines as being more of an AR design.
I've also heard that you can use Sten mags in a Sterling, but clearly not vice versa lol
I could make one in my garage in no time. Amount of parts depends on how you want it to function. Full auto is the simplest. Selective fire is much more complicated. Safety is not needed. Rifling the bore is not needed for a 25 yard weapon. fixed sights are all you need. After all, it's mostly a spray and pray type of weapon.
Moving parts could be down to a positive trigger (no sear), bolt, mag catch and extractor.
I should have saved a couple when we were cutting them up in the 70s
I could make one in my garage in no time. Amount of parts depends on how you want it to function. Full auto is the simplest. Selective fire is much more complicated. Safety is not needed. Rifling the bore is not needed for a 25 yard weapon. fixed sights are all you need. After all, it's mostly a spray and pray type of weapon.
Moving parts could be down to a positive trigger (no sear), bolt, mag catch and extractor.
I should have saved a couple when we were cutting them up in the 70s
This is probably as simple as it gets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLjAejO-jjU
Grizz
there are the detailed PDF on another milsurp dot com forum of the sten gun machining plans. so im sure any handy man with the right tool and some minor skills in metal working could make a (last ditch) quality sten. so hey as long as the bullet goes from point A to point... where ever it ends up "4 feet beside the target" its good. your ready for some good old guerrila/ cheap uprising.
If you were to follow those posted plans exactly, what you would end up with wouldn't work.
They are not correct.
"handy man with the right tool and some minor skills in metal working"? Lathe and milling machine and the skills to use them accurately?
If you want minimal tools and skills do a search for the late PA Luty.
They are not correct.
"handy man with the right tool and some minor skills in metal working"? Lathe and milling machine and the skills to use them accurately?
If you want minimal tools and skills do a search for the late PA Luty.
LOL a man can dream cant he? ok so let me rephrase this any handyperson with a detailed machinest course and a metal working shop full of tool, with a slight bit a reverse engeneering could do it
There are several set's out there.
My father had the same experience, someone dropped a loaded sten in his barricks and it unloaded itself with everyone fleeing the room. However, it was also used to route out Germans in a building. No need to throw a granade, throw a sten into a room and watch the Germans scatter!
I was wondering the same thing... both use 9mm Luger. Either take the ammo from the same source as the MP40 or get it from the unit resupply.
I could make one in my garage in no time. Amount of parts depends on how you want it to function. Full auto is the simplest. Selective fire is much more complicated. Safety is not needed. Rifling the bore is not needed for a 25 yard weapon. fixed sights are all you need. After all, it's mostly a spray and pray type of weapon.
Moving parts could be down to a positive trigger (no sear), bolt, mag catch and extractor.
I should have saved a couple when we were cutting them up in the 70s
you must have a lot of nice tools in your garage
I've heard this from a lot of people, but it doesn't make sense to me. If you threw a loaded sten into a room and it went off, would the sear not catch the bolt after the first initial hit on the ground and stop it from going off again?
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Hmmm... how was the Sten deployed? Did they give half the guys a Sten, and half the guys a longer range rifle? Or was it a PDW given to non-combat troops?
The performance you are talking about is good for close combat, home defense, etc... but I always imagined most WWII combat at a greater distance than 20 yards. Does anyone know how exactly the Sten was used in WWII?
