It does make sense if you'll remember that paper score sheets can be scanned and emailed or faxed to person who'd enter them into WinMSS. That, of course, would be an extra work, but for some people it might be easier part then enter scores into the WinMSS.
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It does make sense if you'll remember that paper score sheets can be scanned and emailed or faxed to person who'd enter them into WinMSS. That, of course, would be an extra work, but for some people it might be easier part then enter scores into the WinMSS.
Match fees should be to cover the cost of putting on the match. Targets, patches, staples, lumber, mission fees, range rental, water, food, paint, etc all cost money, probably not a good idea to run it at a loss but some clubs do. At Sharon we cover our costs and that's all. We charge $20 for a level II ($25 if we supply food for everyone) and $10 for a level I
The MD, RM, RO's, ad CRO's volunteer their time, they don't get paid, although we may waive match fees. If we want to start running it as a business I want to see prizes or cash paid out in order of finish and let's make it a pros only sport. Does that sound better? We can make big entry fees, an big pay outs for the pros.
Or tell you what next time I come to a match you run I'm not going to patch or set steel, I paid my match fee I expect to be taken care of. I want to show up, have as much time as I want to look at the stages and then sit in my chair until its my turn...after all I paid my match fee, I shouldn't have to do anything. If you as the MD want my business you had better look after me.
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Nope, I'm just thinking about waving th BS flag. You say you've scored but then you've made comments like:
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If you had scored a match before why would you ask about having scores sent to you electronically when you would know that this means they've already been entered into MSS and just have to be submitted to IPSC Ontario and why would you courier anything back to them? If you have scored a match before then you would know the process and these questions would make no sense.
You're not the one to blame for those scores not being done but you started a thread toabout certain clubs. If you don't like those clubs and the way they run their matches don't go there or at least stand up and say which ones you aren't happy with instead of hiding behind a poll.
I said I've done the score but is it necessary all scores has to submit to IPSC Ontario? Thats the score we did for our own practice night and I told u I know how to score and the process does takes time, but so what!! It needs to be done. And done in a timely manner which I agreed with euxx.
Does it matter which club I don't like? The poll will say for itself..
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This is what I meant. Unless they send the score sheets to me either by scanned, email or fax, I will not be able to enter them into WinMSS.
Shoot on the last squad, and take the score sheets home with you while the tear down crew is finishing up...
This is what I meant. Unless they send the score sheets to me either by scanned, email or fax, I will not be able to enter them into WinMSS.
palm/tablet scoring solves this
I have done the scores for our clubs level 2's, and they were done and sent into ipsc ontario the night the match ended at the latest, we had them done before the stages were torn down a couple times.
Scores should not be an after thought, they are a major part of the match.
Sure you can do that.
You can also don't have to be extreme and could charge a few $$ more for the match fee that would allow you to hire someone to enter the results and posted them within an hour after match is finished.
There is a reasonable middle ground, but it require some planning ahead.
Well, for the most Ontario matches competitors have to patch. If you're sitting in your chair while other competitors are patching, you soon going to be slapped real hard.
Many matches at Philippines, Russia and other parts of Europe charge a bigger match fee but they hire match workers who are patching and resetting stages. Nothing stops our local matches do the same, except they may have a problem to find cheap labor, so it may not be economically effective.
You claim that paying a match fee you have the expectation of having all the scoring done in a timeline you are happy with, I'm just extending that to say that since I paid a match fee I expect the MD to take care of everything for me, doesn't seem any more unreasonable to me..,.
And really? You'd assault a competitor for not patching? Not good form I'd say..,,
And really? You'd assault a competitor for not patching? Not good form I'd say..,,
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Oh boy...
Think beyond just this match...it's in the past.
I have, shot on the last squad and taken the score sheets with me. I have, finished shooting an earlier squad, gone for a few drinks and some food with my squad buddies at a local pub...and stopped back at the range on my way home to collect the score sheets. I have met up with the MD's after the match (sometimes the next morning) for a coffee and collected the score sheets.
There are a lot of ways...if you are genuine about helping out...
Think beyond just this match...it's in the past.
I have, shot on the last squad and taken the score sheets with me. I have, finished shooting an earlier squad, gone for a few drinks and some food with my squad buddies at a local pub...and stopped back at the range on my way home to collect the score sheets. I have met up with the MD's after the match (sometimes the next morning) for a coffee and collected the score sheets.
There are a lot of ways...if you are genuine about helping out...
Last squad is the next day.
Scoring comes back every so.
I used to got frustrated myself waiting for scores but now I care little less. When I shoot a match I know pretty much right away how I have performed against my buddies.
On positive note, results are posted faster then ever.
I used to got frustrated myself waiting for scores but now I care little less. When I shoot a match I know pretty much right away how I have performed against my buddies.
On positive note, results are posted faster then ever.
As it was said early in this thread Match Directors have a life outside of IPSC. Some of us do work for a living and have a family life that we have to attend to AFTER spending 2 days at the range during the match not to mention what we have to do before and after the match such as designing the course of fire, submitting it for approval, getting props built or repaired, making sure everything is ready to go when the time comes to build the match, putting a crew together to build the match, actually building the match and making sure that everything works so it is the same for each and every shooter. Then repairing anything that needs fixing after the first day and retargeting the ENTIRE match before leaving usually 2 hrs AFTER everyone has left. Getting to the range an hour or more before the first squad is due to start and still finding ppl waiting at the gate to get in. Leaving again at the end of the day after everyone has left. Try and get some of the scoring done without passing out at the PC then getting some sleep that night because you have to be up at 5 am for work the next day. Then back out to the range to do the final cleanup after work. All so that guys like you Glock2010 can whine about not seeing your scores that night. Keep in mind not all of us are computer whiz's and struggle with the damn things.
Don't get me wrong the rest of you it makes it all worthwhile when you go up to a MD and express how much you enjoyed shooting the match and keep coming back. Thats what makes it all worthwhile. It is really dishearting to have to listen to the very few whiners who think that these things just happen.
And for your information I haven't been able to shoot the last 3 matches I have held because I was too tired
Don't get me wrong the rest of you it makes it all worthwhile when you go up to a MD and express how much you enjoyed shooting the match and keep coming back. Thats what makes it all worthwhile. It is really dishearting to have to listen to the very few whiners who think that these things just happen.
And for your information I haven't been able to shoot the last 3 matches I have held because I was too tired
As one of the two guys who sets up every IPSC matches at our club I think $20 matches are not realistic. We have come to realize that if we do not do all the work, IPSC at our club will not happen. It may be time to charge a little more and hire people to help out. There is enough demand for matches that higher fees will work. A lot of times you see more people on the waiting list then are on squads. I would rather see an increase in match fees so MD can hire people and continue to put on these matches then to have them quite or reduce the round and stage count.
come shoot in Michigan, $20 gets you 5-8 outdoor stages depending on the club and 150-200+ rounds. I was able to do 5 stages indoors with carbon copy score sheets, timmies coffee, and let the staff and juniors shoot for free and still turn a profit for the Sin City Opens with a $20 match fee
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I've said this before, out here the guys typically score while the match is happening, volunteers, who also shoot the match. scores are usually done within 20 minutes of the match ending, maybe an hour for a big match. If you dedicate someone in the morning and someone in the afternoon to doing stats, you shouldn't have to wait until the next day for results.
That's the key word, volunteers, the attitude here seems to be "I paid my match fee so I'm going to come, shoot, and leave." We are fortunate to have some great ROs but not so easy to get someone to stay and enter scores. Usually my wife helps with that and she's not even an IPSC shooter.
Let's have a pity party for those poor, unfortunate, hard done by and mistreated wretches who are forced to wait while someone else enters their scores. Oh, the humanity. Father pray for them in the hour of their need and give them the strength to bear the slings and arrows of such outrageous fortune.
