I love 1911's but i found this very interesting.

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I currently have a 1911 that has been in for repairs for a while, and i got fed up and decided to go with an m&p. I explained my situation to a friend of mine who has the exact same 1911 as me with no problems at all and he told me to watch this video. So i thought i would share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJj90eNIfE
 
I love 1911s as well.

While this guy's concluding statement (out of the box Glocks work always and out of the box 1911s don't) is correct, his criticisms are more about users and not 1911s in my opinion. Anyone who knows anything knows that 1911s require more end user knowledge and maintenance compared to the "load, point, and shoot" style of most modern semi-autos. You need to know how to lube a 1911 properly, how to diagnose issues, mags can make or break the performance of a 1911, etc, etc.

This guy is wrong for using his thousands of students as his evidence for the failure of 1911s because I'm sure 99% of his students went to the store, bought a production 1911 and then tried to run a course with it and you can't do that. The 1911 is a more high maintenance design for sure though... so it's not necessarily that they suck but it's just that you have to know what you're doing if you want to put one through heavy use.
 
I love 1911 style pistols.

But I have to agree with the guy.

I own 18 pistols. 9 of which are 1911s. I only have 6 guns that have ever run for 1k+ with out a malfunction of any sort. 2 are glocks, 4 are M&Ps!

All of my 1911s have had some sort of stoppage at some time or another!

Take a wild azz guess which pistol I would use on zombies? You should only need 2 guesses max.....

Cheers!
 
I wouldn't say that 1911s "suck", per se, but rather that you had batter be willing to put a lot of effort and expense into one in order to make it run right if you plan on using one as anything more than a range toy. Otherwise, it's hard to argue with points Yeager makes in the video.

The reality is that most people are better served by a modern gun made of plastic and toaster parts. I say this as someone who likes 1911s.
 
Bah. I say this guy has his ego invested in Glocks.

The best gun for you is the one you have. Buddy there makes one good recommendation - if your gun isn't working find out why. Other than that I haven't got time for his prattle.

The 1911 has a gold plated reputation forged over 100 years on active duty. It is still used by elite combat shooters and military units - and if it were unreliable those guys wouldn't bother with it.

I like to target shoot and I see all kinds of 1911's and Sigs and HK's punching respectable groups. I have only ever seen one Glock shooting what I would call 'well' - and it was one of those new-fangled .45 GAP's. Go figure.
 
I think if I lived in the USA I would most defiantly have one of those 17 or 22 round Glocks and I would be carrying concealed something like a Glock 19. In Canada, I have never been in a gunfight that required more than the mandated 10 rounds. But then again, I haven't been in many (nill, 0, none ever) gunfights and I don't anticipate ever being in one. I like to target shoot and I like accuracy and speed. Accuracy being before speed. Oddly enough, I had just been considering switching everything over to the 1911 platform, for those exact reasons. Fortunately I don't have to rely on my handguns to save my life. I have my wife for that.:D
 
I can't watch the vid because I'm in bum f*ck small town with crappy internet but I get the idea from your posts. I own a 1911 too and compared to my Steyr it's not a great shooter. I still enjoy it.

I also love motorcycles and I will say that the 1911 is the Harley Davidson of hand guns. Expensive and lots of custom upgrades available. Runs reliably if treated right. Looks better than it performs. A classic design. You can pay a lot for little performance

Glocks, M&Ps, and XDs - they are equivalent to UJM (Universal Japanese Motorbikes). Plastic, affordable, reliable, low maintence.... and lack character. The striker fire action is like the Japanese in-line 4 banger. 9mm = 600cc, .40cal = 750cc, .45 = 1000cc. You get the idea.

In Canada, where you can't carry - jams and issues IMO are moot point. Perhaps having the odd jam and quirk is like owning a British bike or a HD - tinkering is good. To me, gun jams are a good tool to use to test your clearing skills. Instead of staring at your jammed pistol at the range asking WTF? Challenge yourself to clear it like second nature cuz the zombies won't wait for you to fix ur gun! All semi auto guns will jam at some point. Assuming that your gun won't because you bought a Glock is fool hardy.

Even Japanese bikes break down too sometimes.
 
redryder said:
Can a Glock be made to shoot 1.5" groups at 50 yards?
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First off I'll say that I love 1911's. So much so that I have one tattooed on my leg. You're point, however, is really unimportant in the real world of handgun fights. If you're a person that would ever be involved in gun fights then you wouldn't be using a pistol for anything more than 15 yards. That's what a carbine or rifle is for and if you don't have one then just run and hide. Here in Canada I prefer shooting a 1911 for plinking and sport shooting but if I was to carry a gun on a daily basis to protect my life it wouldn't be a 1911 but my glock 17 or 19 if I was allowed to carry it.
 
I am only saying that with the appropriate amount of tweaking, a 1911 can be made to shoot more accurately than a Glock with an equal amount of tweaking. Your view may vary. When was your last real handgun fight? Never right? Handguns in Canada are toys made for enthusiasts that enjoy using them.
 
tjhaile said:
I wouldn't say that 1911s "suck", per se, but rather that you had batter be willing to put a lot of effort and expense into one in order to make it run right if you plan on using one as anything more than a range toy. Otherwise, it's hard to argue with points Yeager makes in the video.

The reality is that most people are better served by a modern gun made of plastic and toaster parts. I say this as someone who likes 1911s.
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This was the point I was trying to make too but yours came out better haha
 
Madness said:
:rolleyes: They suck so bad the FBI issues them. wtf is up with that stupid shoulder twitch
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There is only one unit in the FBI that still uses 1911s at all...and most of the shooters in that unit have gone to the Glock 22.

The advantages of the 1911 are few, and the disadvantages for organizational use are fairly serious.

I like 1911s a lot. But they are not a practical issue gun. They are a gun for people with time and money, and a desire to spend a lot of that time and money ensuring their pistol is running at speed.

They shoot well on account of their crisp, light triggers, and are more accurate than most pistols.

However if you are a shooter for the HRT etc, you don't really need that trigger to shoot well, and the accuracy can be replicated with other pistols if necessary, which it generally is not.

The low capacity and intensive maintenance schedule (requiring extremely skilled labour for what are simple user tasks on a Glock) are major drawbacks for organizational use.

I will probably never be without a 1911 in my safe, but I don't have any illusions about what they are. They're accurate handguns designed a hundred years ago with a great trigger and enormous nostalgic appeal. That's all.
 
I can't claim anything like J. Jaeger's experience, but I find myself agreeing with him on every point.

1911's are great guns to shoot, but unless you spend way over $1000 for a pre-tweaked gun, you are going to get a 1911 that _needs_ regular tweaking to keep working well. Sure, elite shooters use them, but they don't buy the same guns casual shooters do, and they get far more tuning and maintenance than the typical 1911.

The 1911's best days are behind it. If I were going in harm's way and wanted a .45 to take with me, I'd choose an .45M&P over a 1911 any day.
 
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