no slag on you, ment as, an insturctor from another top school may have a different 3 in their mind. his word isn't the be all end all, neither is that of Clint Smith or the magpul twins, they all have opinions that differ on all most everything. The main point of that video is to bring attention to his school so he can fill up classes
I love 1911's but i found this very interesting.
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no slag on you, ment as, an insturctor from another top school may have a different 3 in their mind. his word isn't the be all end all, neither is that of Clint Smith or the magpul twins, they all have opinions that differ on all most everything. The main point of that video is to bring attention to his school so he can fill up classes
Hey I have seen your 1911 run flawlessly through the NSO course and several IDPA nights. I can see why you feel this way. Not sure how many rounds you have put through your gun but there is merit to this guy's video. Not sure what Glocks you have seen jam up but if I had to put a percentage on jams I have seen involving Glocks it would be 1-2 percent of all jams I have witnessed. To add to that half of them were probably limp wristing.
I have three Glocks and four 1911s so I am not being biased at all. My G17 and G21 have easily had 10,000 rounds through each of them (probably much more) without even one failure to speak of. My 1911 Kimber Desert Warrior ($1700) had to have a slide stop replaced. The slide would lock back with rounds still in the mag. It's fine now thanks to a $60 Wilson bulletproof slidestop. I still love that gun. Just like in the video we get attached to these 1911s!!!
Regardless, just the fact that you can feed any type of ammo and not clean or lube a Glock for a long time and still have it function fine is a testament to the design and how few parts the gun actually has. Less parts = less that can go wrong. I don't have anywhere near the same experience as the guy in the video but I have said the same things he is saying for a while now. That being said I will be using a 1911 on IPSC night. At least for now. 
"Glock 21 in 45ACP" at the ready so 1911 guys can finish their course.
Ive taken 2 and 4 day pistol intensive courses and all 1911s failed, jammed, mucked yp feed ramp etc.
I have to agree on the Glock always works opinion... Although I dont like it when he refers to the Glocks as "fat chicks" vs. strippers (1911)
Ive taken 2 and 4 day pistol intensive courses and all 1911s failed, jammed, mucked yp feed ramp etc.
I have to agree on the Glock always works opinion... Although I dont like it when he refers to the Glocks as "fat chicks" vs. strippers (1911)
I suppose that the reliability debate can be closed with the adoption rates by militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world.
Personally, I love 1911s but if my life depended on a sidearm it would most likely be a G17.
Personally, I love 1911s but if my life depended on a sidearm it would most likely be a G17.
I love my AK' s but in all fairness this is a BS response... The M16 design was still *new* and untested. Fielding was rushed. Field manuals were in short supply and the anal stripping / cleaning proceedure often led to damage being done to the firearm. Ultimately the combination of jungle conditions (dirt & humidity) coupled with the inadequate powder initially used led to the issues of the time.
Jump ahead after some real world experince and advancements in R&D / QC and your left with today's models that will, without a doubt, outshoot even the best AK. That being said it doesn't mean the AK is an outdated relic. It's still more than capable in MOUT operations.
CQB I'd take an AK over an AR but when the distance increases, without a doubt I would opt for the AR platform.
YMMV
I have been through several Tac Response courses with James and despite the fact that I own one I am not drunk on the Glock kool-aid.
I do, however, support his argument on the 1911 based on what I saw in several classes both his and others. Not a single 1911 Colt, Kimber, S&W, Para Ord (don't think I recall seeing an STI) tricked out or stock has made it through an intense, high volume class I have attened without issue; some being major and having the shooter switch out to another handgun.
Do I think Glock is the be-all-end-all of pistols? Absolutley NOT!!!
For whatever reason the 1911 doesn't seem to lend itself well to high volume, sustained fire or at least not on the courses I have been on. Maybe it was just coincidence or sheer crap luck for those 1911 owners on course with me but not one could finish the day without issue.
That being said, I do love the 1911 and own a Springfield Loaded Operator and plan on getting a Kimber Pro Carry II in the very near future. I think every sport shooter should own at least one 1911!
YMMV
I have the Kimber Pro Carry II I am sure you will love it! I do. I haven't had one failure on my Pro Carry but it has no where near the rounds through it as my Glocks.
I stand corrected.
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In a "defense" scenario... it's kind of pointless.
On the other hand, if you trow the same kind of $$ at a Glock, you probably could get your 1.5" groups at 50 yards.
My glock has minimal rounds thru it.. simply because I do not like it. I have surpassed 15K thru my XD40 though!
You use a holster for the Kimber PCII? I'm partial to safariland but any good quality rig would do.
Galco N3 IWB Inside Waistband Holster made specifically for the 4" 1911s. Got it from Copsplus in the US. Fits real nice. No issues shipping.
There is no 1911, no matter how expensive, that can do what a $500 Glock can do.
This has been posted before but go have a look.
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15k rounds without cleaning etc.
If you want a gun that always works get a glock. If you want shmexy man jewlery that sometimes works get a 1911.
This has been posted before but go have a look.
h ttp://theprepared.com/content/view/90//administrator/
15k rounds without cleaning etc.
If you want a gun that always works get a glock. If you want shmexy man jewlery that sometimes works get a 1911.
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Really necessary to compare guns that were developed decades apart.
Regardless of when these guns were developed theses are guns we use everyday, why wouldn't we weigh the pro's and cons? I didn't start this thread to start a war, just sharing an interesting video. The video is obviously bias but stimulates the minds of the shooting community nonetheless.
I own both Glocks and 1911s, and while I have had very few malfunctions over the years, all of the failures I have had have been... wait for it... when using a 1911.
So, though I like both platforms, I really can't argue with the vid. And, if my life depended on it, I'd be grabbing my Glock 20.
So, though I like both platforms, I really can't argue with the vid. And, if my life depended on it, I'd be grabbing my Glock 20.
